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#1 billie32

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Posted 13 September 2004 - 11:08 AM

I have a quantity of LE Only "L" drums in stock. My question is are these items now free trade or can I still only sell to LE or Export them? Would love to know. Thank you.

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#2 Bill in VA

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Posted 13 September 2004 - 11:11 AM

You can sell 'em now.

http://www.atf.gov/
http://www.atf.gov/f...w-factsheet.htm
http://www.atf.gov/f...ms/saw-faqs.htm
http://www.aft.gov/0...4openletter.htm
U.S. Department of Justice

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
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Washington, DC 20226



CHANGES IN FEDERAL LAW AS OF SEPTEMBER 13, 2004
RELATING TO
SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS (SAWs)

AND

LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES (LCAFDs)


GENERAL

As of September 13, 2004, the provisions of Public Law 103-322, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, covering semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices are no longer in effect. The regulations implementing these provisions also are no longer in effect.

Specifically, there is no longer a Federal prohibition on the manufacture, transfer, and possession of semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices.

There are no longer any marking requirements for semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices. Existing markings on firearms and magazines relating to law enforcement or government use may be disregarded.

There is no longer any Federal requirement for Federal firearms licensees to obtain certain documentation before transferring semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices to government agencies or law enforcement officers. However, any records obtained prior to September 13, 1994, pertaining to the sale or transfer of semiautomatic assault weapons must still be retained for a period of 5 years. See 27 CFR § 478.129(f). Moreover, records of importation and manufacture must be maintained permanently and licensees must maintain all other acquisition and disposition records for 20 years.

Licensees who provided letters of future intent to sell semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices to law enforcement agencies and other qualified customers are no longer obligated to comply with such letters.

Anyone who illegally possessed, manufactured, or transferred semiautomatic assault weapons or large capacity ammunition feeding devices before the bans sunset still have violated the law since their possession, manufacture, or transfer was illegal at the time.


IMPORTATION

The prohibition on the importation of non-sporting firearms under 18 U.S.C. section 922(l) and 925(d)(3) still applies.

Importation of large capacity ammunition feeding devices still is covered under the Arms Export Control Act. Therefore an approved permit still is required to import large capacity magazines.

Temporary importation of semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity magazines is now lawful under the provisions of 27 CFR § 478.115(d) because temporary importations are not subject to the sporting purpose test.

Any importer who has a valid approved Form 6 import permit with a restriction related to the assault weapon ban should comply with the restriction because the weapons most likely are non-sporting.

Any importer who has a valid approved Form 6 import permit with a restriction related to large capacity ammunition feeding devices may disregard the restriction. Importers may apply for a new permit if they prefer.

ASSEMBLY OF NON-SPORTING SHOTGUNS AND SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES FROM IMPORTED PARTS

The prohibition on assembly of non-sporting shotguns and semiautomatic rifles from imported parts as provided under 18 U.S.C. § 922® and 27 CFR § 478.39 still applies.

SENTENCING ENHANCEMENTS

The sentencing enhancements for using semiautomatic assault weapons in a crime of violence or drug trafficking crime no longer are in effect. Similarly, the sentencing enhancements for semiautomatic assault weapons in the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines no longer are in effect.

LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS

Law enforcement officers and police departments who obtained semiautomatic assault weapons are no longer required to use such firearms only for official use.

Law enforcement officers and police departments may now sell or transfer semiautomatic assault weapons to persons who are not prohibited from receiving firearms.

Law enforcement officers and police departments may now sell or transfer large capacity ammunition feeding devices to anybody.

Signed statements that semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices will be used for official use are no longer required to be provided to Federal firearms licensees.

RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS

Federal law does not prohibit retiring law enforcement officers from keeping semiautomatic assault weapons or large capacity ammunition feeding devices.

Former law enforcement officers who received semiautomatic assault weapons on retirement may now transfer those firearms to persons who are not prohibited from receiving firearms. Transfer of large capacity ammunition feeding devices is no longer restricted.

NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT

All provisions of the National Firearms Act relating to registration and transfer of machineguns, short barreled rifles, weapons made from rifles, short barreled shotguns, weapons made from shotguns, any other weapons as defined in Title 26 U.S.C. section 5845(e), silencers, and destructive devices still apply.

Registered silencers can now be attached to semiautomatic rifles and pistols without creating a prohibited semiautomatic assault weapon.

USAS-12 and Striker12/Streetsweeper shotguns are still classified as destructive devices under ATF Rulings 94-1 and 94-2 and must be possessed and transferred in accordance with the NFA.

EFFECT ON STATE LAW

Expiration of the Federal law will not change any provisions of State law or local ordinances. Questions concerning State assault weapons restrictions should be referred to State and local authorities.


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#3 Bill in VA

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Posted 13 September 2004 - 11:26 AM

I forgot to ask, how much are you asking for them?
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Posted 13 September 2004 - 12:06 PM

Even though they are marked EXPORT ONLY on them, I can sell to anyone whom does not have a local law prohibiting them from owning them? I just want to make sure as these are marked for export only. Would need $245 apiece plus shipping for them. They are new in the original boxes. Please let me know as I would love to be able to sell them. Thanks.
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Posted 13 September 2004 - 12:09 PM

YES, you CAN sell these. http://www.atf.gov
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Posted 13 September 2004 - 12:11 PM

Excellent, I have about 20 of these drums. I would need to get $245 apiece plus shipping. Let me know. Thanks.
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Posted 13 September 2004 - 12:53 PM

Are these drums made by Numrich or Karh?
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Posted 13 September 2004 - 03:30 PM

Do these drums work right out of the box?
Or do these need to be reworked?
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Posted 13 September 2004 - 04:00 PM

These drums were purchased from Kahr...I would assume that they are Kahr produced. Do not know if they work as I haven't tried one.
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Posted 13 September 2004 - 05:15 PM

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Posted 13 September 2004 - 06:04 PM

I live in Virginia which has no prohibitions on high capacity magazines and I just sent you an e-mail asking how much with shipping two would cost.

Thanks,

John

Edited by The Virginian, 13 September 2004 - 06:04 PM.

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Posted 13 September 2004 - 06:27 PM

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Posted 13 September 2004 - 08:21 PM

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Posted 13 September 2004 - 08:34 PM

e mail sent.
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Posted 14 September 2004 - 09:01 AM

Email Sent. Please hold one for me if you have one left.
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Posted 14 September 2004 - 10:13 AM

Wow! That was quick!! All the drums are sold. Thank you for your inquiries, wish I had more.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 12:06 PM

Just received an open unsealed envelope in the mail with a Charlotte, NC postmark, nothing inside it, and no return address. The only identifiable charecteristic which leads me to believe it is for two drums is "505 to Oyster Bay Ind" written on the inside of the flap. Anybody?
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 01:16 PM

email sent reguarding order. Thanks.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 02:31 PM

Curious if you got my check for two?

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 05:34 PM

George,
The drums arrived today thank you . I do not plan on using them. I think some were down the line they will be a good addition to a drum collection , just wonder how many were made . Do they work or do they need tinkering with. Has any one tried one out yet ???.

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