
We Need A Great Offense - Now!
#1
Posted 13 September 2004 - 06:43 PM
We need to keep fighting the fight and get the 1986 "no new machineguns" law repealed!! Its the next logical step. If the Thompson is on the C and R list, it has significant value to America (for various reasons). If it is seen as an outdated, old relic with only "historical" value, why then can we not purchase one of these "highly collectible" firearms? Well for me its the limited supply and high demand! We need to make the case that a C and R gun is on the list for a reason. Why should the government restrict us from owning an "outdated", antique firearm???
We should be able to work this to our advantage. We would be right back complying with NFA of 1934! What's the bid deal? If we go on the offensive and give finkstein, chucky, teddy and john boy this to worry about, any new laws to outlaw AW will be secondary and hopefully be a non issue. But we need to take the next step and that's protecting a hobby (Thompson Collecting!!) enjoyed by thousands of gun collectors throughout America.
Remember, there is a new caucus in the House that is supposed to be protecting our Second Amendment freedom. In their mission statement I think it specifically mentions "collect".
Let's Roll!!!!
Mario Scarpino
#2
Posted 17 September 2004 - 06:12 PM
And how many people would like to see their MP5 go from $15,000.00 to $1500.00 overnight. Thats just a little to think about?
#3
Posted 17 September 2004 - 06:32 PM
#4
Posted 17 September 2004 - 06:33 PM
QUOTE (Lafayette Gregory @ Sep 17 2004, 07:12 PM) |
Republicans now want to allow anyone to buy fullyautomatic weapons such as mac's and Tec's that can spray buttlets at 1000 rounds per min in your neighborhood. And how many people would like to see their MP5 go from $15,000.00 to $1500.00 overnight. Thats just a little to think about? |
Lafayette, first off, I am an independent, and there are many Democrats who represent conservative areas of the nation and are pro-Second Amendment. I don't think that Republicans, or any other reasonable Americans, want to allow "anyone" to buy fully-automatic weapons. Most of the gun-owning community want existing gun laws enforced, which currently prohibit felons, the mentally incompetent, drug abusers, people convicted of domestic violence, etc., from owning firearms of any type. As far as allowing new production of submachineguns and machineguns for civilians, I'm all for it, because I haven't yet purchased my MP5.



#5
Posted 17 September 2004 - 06:57 PM

#6
Posted 17 September 2004 - 08:25 PM
Maybe we can hire a trial lawyer like John Edwards and get a class action lawsuit claiming discrimination ("Why does LEO get to buy one cheaper than I can- WAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!") Think the ACLU would take our case???

#7
Posted 17 September 2004 - 08:35 PM
but remember as in all good things "hustle makes it happen".
Don't be afraid to write or call your federal representitives. that's what their there for, they get paid to represent OUR wishes, so Let's all make sure they know what they are !!!
as always
"your friend on the line'
Subman 1
#8
Posted 17 September 2004 - 08:46 PM
My intent was to focus on the Thompson (and only the Thompson). The rationale was that its a C and R gun. If its of such value and considered an "antique", then why shouldn't law abiding citizens (who live the right states) be allowed to own such a firearm? Again, NFA 1934 would apply. The only change we would be asking for is the change in the 1986 law to allow for production of "Thompson submachine guns", models 1921A, 1927, 1928, (with or without compensators), MI and M1A1.
I thought one of the reasons for the "C and R" rule (I live in Missouri a C & R state) was to allow private citizens the oppurtunity to own full auto gun, knowing that they were of such value or collectibility that only a true collector would be interested in owning such a gun. I just don't see the gang-bangers going out and filling out the paper work and getting finger printed in order to own a new production Thompson.
The only real change would be that a few more Thompsons would be manufactured (by the Moonies!!??? yuk!!) and owned by LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. The only thing stopping me from getting a Thompson is the money. I have already passed the background check for my conceal carry and for the SBR on my 1927A1.
I guess if the Thompson is not a good choice, how about the BAR? I say we just ask for one little opening in the 1986 law. And if we were to get an opening I would hope it would be for production of the Thompson.
How many new production Thompsons do you think Kahr could sell in a 5 year period? Assume a "new model 1921" sells for $4,500.00. My guess would be about 4,000 to 5,000 total. No big deal, not a lot guns in the grand scheme of things, and their in the hands of law abiding citizens, collectors like you and me. Personally, I think there may come a day when we will be facing terrorism in our own neighborhoods. It would be nice to have "some" firepower. I know a Tommy is no match for an AK 47, but its better than a bolt action .22 (the liberal version of self protection)!!! Since our government will not protect our borders, it would appear that it will be up to us to keep our families safe.
I am not interested in owning any other subgun, so Uzi's, etc. are not part of this plan, if it were up to me.
I think I will write the new Second Amendment caucus in the House and see what kind of a response I get.
I think we need to at least stir the pot a little. Its like anything else, you have to have the right contacts.
Mario
#9
Posted 19 September 2004 - 07:16 PM
#10
Posted 19 September 2004 - 07:38 PM
#11
Posted 19 September 2004 - 10:11 PM
triple the amount of dealers and you still don't have a big enough voice...i fought them on this issue for years...state and fed wise...lost!!
and more and more little guys drop off every year.and some don't even want people to know they own mg's...
{real private owners}in the closet.big buck's>
the kind that say i got mine,now don't bother me.
so go do the math of the amount on the fed registry.that includes p.d.guns registered also.
divide, multiply,extract and deduct however.and we don't have the number's....and the n.r.a.they just don't care....
if on jan,1.2005 they said you guys can't own them anymore..a few voices would arise...the rest of the public would say who cares..
gold ,silver,cash,some real estate,a fast car,and a gold plated desert eagle,wink!!can get you far!!
can't run too far with a few safe's of tommies...think about it,chime in folk's a good post take care,ron
#12
Posted 19 September 2004 - 11:16 PM
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then why shouldn't law abiding citizens (who live the right states) be allowed to own such a firearm? |
They already are and have NEVER been restriced to owning a Thompson.
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I just don't see the gang-bangers going out and filling out the paper work and getting finger printed in order to own a new production Thompson. |
They have never filled out any paperwork, not even since 1934. No less 1968. Criminals don't use registered machineguns in crimes.
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The only thing stopping me from getting a Thompson is the money. |
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How many new production Thompsons do you think Kahr could sell in a 5 year period? |
I wouldn't buy anything from Kahr. FA or SA. Junk. Legal or otherwise.
The government isn't going to legalize machine gun production for citizens. I wish they would, but they won't.
Face facts, save your money like the rest of the FA community and pay the piper to play the game.
Sorry, that's the way it is

Jr
#13
Posted 20 September 2004 - 06:21 AM
#14
Posted 20 September 2004 - 09:19 AM
#15
Posted 20 September 2004 - 10:41 AM
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Hi Mario. QUOTE then why shouldn't law abiding citizens (who live the right states) be allowed to own such a firearm? They already are and have NEVER been restricted to owning a Thompson. QUOTE I just don't see the gang-bangers going out and filling out the paper work and getting finger printed in order to own a new production Thompson. They have never filled out any paperwork, not even since 1934. No less 1968. Criminals don't use registered machine guns in crimes. QUOTE The only thing stopping me from getting a Thompson is the money. Now we are getting somewhere... QUOTE How many new production Thompson's do you think Kahr could sell in a 5 year period? I wouldn't buy anything from Kahr. FA or SA. Junk. Legal or otherwise. The government isn't going to legalize machine gun production for citizens. I wish they would, but they won't. Face facts, save your money like the rest of the FA community and pay the piper to play the game. Sorry, that's the way it is Jr |
Wow! That would have been my repost to Mario. Instead of trying to move the sun and moon (no pun intended) to turn the clock back to pre 1986 NFA prices, and waiting even longer to make a purchase on a weapon that will have only increased in price, why not just bite the bullet and pony up the coin for a TSMG like everyone else has since the escalation in prices.
A newly produced replica "Thompson" smg as manufactured by Kahr wouldn't be a C&R weapon anyway.
#16
Posted 21 September 2004 - 04:57 AM
Yes, Thompsons are obsolete and outdated. But only for tactical military purposes! No modern, fully-equipped army would ever use one.
They want, and use, M-16s, MP-5s, FALs, Uzis and the like: lightweight, inexpensive-to-make, accurate guns. Thompsons just don't fit the bill. Outdated Thompsons are, however, still machine guns. Obsolete or not, they spray lots of bullets. Liberals don't like lots of bullets.
And if you think the likes of Fat Teddy, Barbara Boxer, Schmuck Shumer, Diane Finkstein, and the anti-gun, liberal media are gonna permit more of them "on the streets of America" think again.
Ain't never gonna happen! Wish it would, but it ain't.

#17
Posted 21 September 2004 - 09:00 AM
We are one of only five states prohibiting anyone but a police officer from concealed carry. To give you an idea how anti-gun this state is the Chicago Mayor is attempting to pass legislation overiding the off duty/retired officers right to carry. He doesn't even want police officers to be able to carry off duty, and has already banned handguns in the city limits. The laws don't even work because we are consistently at the top of the list for number of homicides, deaths per capita and so on. Depsite his attempts to convince everyone he is making things safer it's getting worse.
Sorry if I went a little off subject but it's frustrating when cost is irrelevant rights have been taken away.
#18
Posted 21 September 2004 - 10:59 AM