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#1 tecnolli

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 02:23 AM

Hi all,

please excuse my bad english, i'm writing from germany.
Yesterday seemed like christmas to me, because my first and long awaited Thompson arrived!
It's a 1927A1 WH, 10,5"-Barrel mounted, 16,5"-Barrel included. Overall condition is fine. I bought it from a local collector, who imported it from Canada in the early 90's. He said the gun was made in mid 80's, that leads me to my question:
The serial number is 11998, would you identify this as a mid 80's model?

In a few hours i start off to the range, so wish me luck... biggrin.gif

Greetings from germany

Oliver
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Posted 18 September 2004 - 04:49 AM

Oliver-

Guten Abend - Wie geht's?

Willkommen zu unserer Gruppe! ( I apologize for my poor Deutsch - been a few years!) ...and congrats on your new Thompson.

I think this link will answer your question. It looks as if your gun was produced in 1981.

WH 1927-A1 Serial Ranges

Please don't excuse your English - it is great!

Regards and welcome-

Chris

Edited by DC Chris, 18 September 2004 - 05:00 AM.

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 05:53 AM

Chris,

thanks a lot for your fast reply, very helpful.

I forgot to introduce me. I'm 36 yo and 14 years ago i first came in contact with shooting. During this time i only owned pistols and revolvers, the Thompson is my first "rifle".
Ownership of full-autos still is strictly prohibited in germany, and 'til last year even the semi-auto Thompsons were illegal because they LOOK very, very dangerous. I guess some day they will get my Kawasaki Z 900, because it just looks to dangerous... biggrin.gif
The law changed last year, now i can own semi-autos that were used in any army before 1945. You see, other countries do have funny gun laws too... mad.gif

I'll let you know how things went at the range later.

Oliver



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Posted 18 September 2004 - 06:42 AM

It must be nice to just put a 10.5 inch barrel on your 27A1.

In America, that is an NFA weapon and requires permission from the ATF (and a $200 tax).

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 08:13 AM

tecnolli--
Welcome to the board and congratulations on the Thompson. I'm happy to see someone from Germany here. I lived in your country for nearly three years and loved it. I think you have a beautiful country. Too bad about those gun laws. Sounds like you are making some positive changes though. Best of luck on firing your new toy.
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Posted 18 September 2004 - 08:26 AM

Welcome to the board Oliver,

Hopefully your 27 will function flawlessly.
I've found many a pleasurable afternoon with mine.

You will find that this board has more information to offer than any book written.
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Posted 18 September 2004 - 09:19 AM

Welcome Oliver! smile.gif I think you will find www.machinegunbooks.com a very interesting place in cyberspace. blink.gif Where in Germany do you hail from? Please do let us know how your shooting session goes. cool.gif Regards, Walter
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Posted 18 September 2004 - 03:17 PM

Welcome Oliver,...Guten Abend...what great place this is ,to be able to talk with you....a wealth of info awaits you....now you know how I feel shooting an MG34 and an MP40...a remarkable exchange of culture...we all speak the same language here,just plain shooting fun!..be safe and have fun,.. wink.gif
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Posted 19 September 2004 - 07:01 AM

Hey guys,

thank you for your warm welcome. Over the last few weeks I only looked around in this forum without writing, and I feel avalanched with pure information. Seems like the place to be.

I live in a small town near Alzey between Kaiserslautern and Mainz, some of you guys might have heard of this area.

Nice to know that plain shooting fun and interest in technical history reaches around the world. Speaking of plain shooting fun: Yesterday was a perfect example for that in many ways.

I learned how to paint a big grin in peoples faces. Just open your case and take out a Thompson! Eveybody knows it, everybody likes it, and everybody would like to handle and shoot it. Sometimes it’s really easy to make people happy…

We started at 25 yards with 230grs. Ball, function was flawless, triggerpull was not as bad as expected, and accuracy was quite ok with 5 shots in about 3”. A few guys including me were able to reproduce this level of accuracy.
We tried several sorts of ammo, ending with 200grs. LSWC, function still flawless, groups opening up to about 4-5”.
We changed to our 50-yard-range and soon discovered the reason why groups continue to open up: All 4 rivets of the rear sight were loose, so we stopped to waste ammo. A guy offered his help to fix the sight with 4 screws. I guess i will go for that offer, because i trust in his skills since the day i saw his home-made Sharps rifle.

Now, what do we have? A nice online-community, a few happy people in my club, and a gun that will be a real pleasure after some minor work. How could I ask for more?

Regards

Oliver

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 02:46 PM

I have had the same problem with my Thompson 1927-A1, the screws would actually fall out after about 500 rounds of continous shooting. I tried using loc-tite, but after two range sessions, these too loosened or fell out. I solved the problem forever using JB Weld Epoxy. I have a recent Kahr version, that shoots very well about 2" groups at 25 yards. Groups are still about 3" at 50 yards and at 100 drop about 4 inches, but 3" groups are still possible.
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Posted 21 September 2004 - 05:39 AM

@Virginian
3" up to 100 yards sounds nice!

Do you have to warm the JB Weld Epoxy to open the srews again? Maybe some day a Lyman sight will cross my way...
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Posted 21 September 2004 - 08:33 AM

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The law changed last year, now i can own semi-autos that were used in any army before 1945. You see, other countries do have funny gun laws too...


Would a semi that was used pre 1945 be an original 1927 requiring NFA transfer here in the states or were 1927A1's available then?
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Posted 21 September 2004 - 11:42 AM

It took me some time to understand your question... blink.gif

I have no idea what the difference between an original 1927 and a 1927A1 is. German gun law is not interested in the year MY Thompson was produced. The only thing of matter here is the year the Thompson-DESIGN was used in any army.

I'm already not quite sure if i did get the point...
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Posted 21 September 2004 - 12:17 PM

I wonder if he could convert it to fire (semi-auto ONLY) from an open bolt?! dry.gif

It would be illegal here in America, but I wonder if Germany would allow it.

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 07:43 AM

Technolli
Hello and welcome, Yes with the JB weld if you use a propane torch and heat the metal up until it smells funny you can loosing the screws out. I know this because I have done this before on my 1927A1 also on a car exhaust, WHICH DOESN"T WORK!!!!!!!!! Lucky you got a 10.5 on it.

96lt1ss
Hello, The 1927 from years ago is a machine gun since it uses the same frame as the 1921 ( it was a 1921 milled than stamped.) I guess you can swap out with a 1921-28 and you can rock-n-roll. The 1927A1 are a 1975 production of Ira Trust/WH- Auto ord. I guess the used a lot of M-1 stuff as it was on hand from WWII-(frame and parts) as the supply exhasted they produced there own cheap parts.

Hope I got all my info right on this -adlake
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 07:50 AM

Adlake he cleared up my question it's the design that matters not the date of manufacture. I was under the understanding that the 1927A1 didn't start until the 70's and wanted to confirm that, perhaps my wording was not very clear.
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