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#1 NotDeaf

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 11:09 AM

Check out this reveicer on gunbroker

http://www.gunbroker...p?Item=23309551

It sounds like he's going to ship it without a FFL??
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Posted 21 September 2004 - 11:20 AM

She mentioned in her ad that guns will be shipped to an FFL. My concern is if the thing is on paper. She doesn't elude to that at all. I would stay away, far away from this one. This gal doesn't seem to know what she has.
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Posted 21 September 2004 - 11:37 AM

Yeeoww! I agree, she probably doesn't know what she has there. I hope everyone here knew to stay away on this one. I see the auction has ended.
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Posted 21 September 2004 - 12:21 PM

Either she realized the seriousness of what she was selling, or she is selling off of the auction board.

There is an outside chance that there is paperwork on the gun, but I doubt it.

What a shame; another Thompson that can't be had! sad.gif

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 04:53 PM

Yikes! She is in upstate NY also...Double Whammy!

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 06:38 AM

I did get a reply from Judy this morning.
She says she is having a class 3 dealer determine if it is registered.
Then she says she will register it if it was not registered..... "I'm just a Mom selling stuff" probably will not be a good defense!
I'll add to this if I get a reply after she checks it out...
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 06:42 AM

Gee, just how does she plan to register it if it is not already registered?

Get into her "Way Back Machine" and set the time for prior to May 19, 1986?

This woman is living dangerously!


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Posted 22 September 2004 - 07:57 AM

If it was never registered prior to or during the 1968 amnesty, it can't be registered. It will be confiscated.
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 07:58 AM

I emailed her too after I saw the add, she pulled it about 5 minutes later. Told her to contact a Class 3 to see if it had a forgotten paper trail and that it would be a shame to have to destroy that piece of history. Wasn't there a discussion a while back that law enforcement or a certain type of museum could take possession of an unregistered gun and put it on a form 10?
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 09:28 AM

I vaguely remember a thread discussion regarding that; I believe you're right, Dan. It's nice that a couple of you guys Emailed her, and "hipped her to the situation".
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 09:37 AM

Dan,

Yes, it could be turned in to a law enforcement agency and registered on a Form 10. But what are they going to do with it? I don't know of any US law enforcement agencies that actually use surplus WWII Thompsons anymore. I know that many still have them, but I would venture to guess they are rarely used. Besides, the gun pictured was incomplete and I doubt any law enforcement agency would spend the money to put it back together and not use it. Same goes for a museum. If it is not registered it will probably be confiscated by BATF and destroyed.
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 09:51 AM

Looks like she had a pile of emails about this. She said she has an offer for $12K if it is registered.
If not I suggested the museum option - the economics of that would be huge - enough to add a parts kit to the donation and still be abnout $3-4K ahead!

At least she has a class 3 checking it out for her. Anybody here doing that for her ph34r.gif ??
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 11:01 AM

The National Museum of the Pacific War in Texas will take any orphaned machineguns, regardless of condition or incompleteness. I dontated a 08/15 Maxim to them that was just the receiver and water jacket. Over time we will collect the parts and get her running again. Let me know if I can be of any assistance in the transfer. I volunteer at the museum.
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 12:38 PM

QUOTE (gijive @ Sep 22 2004, 07:57 AM)
If it was never registered prior to or during the 1968 amnesty, it can't be registered. It will be confiscated.

Someone should e-mail her and tell her to hid it until there is another amnesty. cool.gif
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 01:19 PM

Her latest email said it indeed is registered! Good to see one not have to face teh torch!
Now she intends to get it registered to herself....
If she is selling it, but it was registered to another non-relative, how can she do this without becoming licensed herself? Can she sell it thru a class 3 and just "broker" the sale without owning it?
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 01:51 PM

It's nice that it is registered. Kinda strange since it was only a receiver and barrel, but if she says it is registered then I guess there is no reason to doubt her. She can get the registration transferred on a tax-free Form 5 if she is liquidating an estate and is authorized to do so. It also has to be legal to possess in her state. Didn't someone say she resides in New York? That could be another issue.
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 03:37 PM

You know what we need, a section in the Frequently asked questions that have a detailed plan of how to preserve these as Tman mentions, what type of law enforement agency that could best take initial possession, and then where they could send it (The texas museum?). That way, when you are approached with a "corncrib gun" your immediate reaction won't be to take two steps backwards and then run, it could be "look at this website on the gun topic, then take these steps to preserve the history"
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 05:06 PM

Deerslayer, That is a very very good idea.. I hate to see these weapons get the torch treatment.
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 06:21 PM

Yeah...her ad said Upstate NY. Possesion here is a NO NO for sure. I know you can only possess them to turn them in. Wonder how it would work with an estate in NY. I would assume there were some legal regstered mg's in the state at some point before the ban. Perhaps her husband or whoever was a class 3? Or something to substanciate her having it legaly. Makes me think she still does not have all the answers since she said she would register it if it was not already. Wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole. Hope it dosen't get the torch!

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Posted 28 September 2004 - 12:17 PM

Latest is she has a buyer for the reciever who offered her $9000 (funny - last time she said it was $12K!!) for the reciever, + the buyer will pay the two (??) $250 transfers.

If she adds a fudge factor and tells me the transfer is $250, then the offer must really be around $7500 or so.

She asked if I would "beat that offer", so she is looking for bidders - email her, she may be willing to sell it to someone else. I cannot afford it now.

I have not seen it other than the first pictures she had.

Do you think it would be worth $10K - completed and refinished? That' s about what it would take. Just may be a good deal....
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