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#1 buzzer

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 10:38 PM

This gentleman has 2 WHs for sale on subguns.

One for $12.5K (New condition) and one for $11.5K (Exc condition). The one for $12.5K has one 20 round stick mag.

He also has a Colt but that's out of my price range sad.gif

Finally, the third link is a NIB WH 1928 for $15K, though sale is pending. Good deal ?

These seem like pretty fair prices for WHs if they are in decent shape. All advise welcomed from a lowly Uzi guy trying to move up smile.gif


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Edited by buzzer, 23 September 2004 - 07:09 AM.

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Posted 23 September 2004 - 08:02 AM

If you are going to shoot it, why buy a NIB or LNIB? If it is a WH, you probably are going to want to have PK refurb it anyway. Save the $1,000 for upgrades.

Make sure you shoot a Thompson before you spend that kind of money. If you want a NFA shooter, you can use the same money and get an M-16 receiver with tons of options and caliber changes. Now, not trying to talk you out of a Thompson if that's what you want, but make sure before you jump.

We sold a WH from a collection last year about this time for $7,500 and thought we were lucky to get that. Also sold an original FBI case, 4 patent mags, and a Colt L drum for $5k and were happy with that.

My how times change in this game.

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Posted 23 September 2004 - 01:43 PM

WoW! ohmy.gif

WH 28's are going for 15k!

The supply of Thompsons must really be drying up- fast!

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Posted 23 September 2004 - 01:44 PM

Thanks ! That is some good advice but I am really sold that a Thompson is my next NFA acquisition. I would like to clarify what I think is correct. Please advise if I am mixed up. I am trying to learn all I can. I guess I need to get "the book" !

Is this summary correct ? I am confused about the Model of 1928 verses Model of 1928A1. Did the 1928 retain the vertical foregrip ? How does it differ from the Model of 1921AC ?

Model of 1921 - original Colt Thompson
Model of 1921AC - added Cutts compensator
Model of 1927 - semi-auto version - super rare
Model of 1928 - Not sure - ????
Model of 1928A1 - produced for Navy - ROF reduced, vertical forgrip replaced with horizontal foregrip - 8 overstamped 1
1938 Model of 1928A1 officially released
1939 - Savage contract singed - S prefix -
War Time - Lyman sights deleted, checkering deleted, barrel fins deleted,
1942 - M1 standardized - Blish Block eliminated, cocking knob moved to side, permanent stock, stick mags only, Cutts deleted
1941 - Bridgeport factory on line - AO prefix
1942 - M1A1 released - firing pin and hammer deleted - replaced with fixed firing pin

Thanks for any info !!

Edited by buzzer, 23 September 2004 - 01:45 PM.

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Posted 23 September 2004 - 01:48 PM

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WH 28's are going for 15k!

The supply of Thompsons must really be drying up- fast!


Look at it this way - eveything else is getting cheaper wink.gif
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#6 Bob B

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Posted 23 September 2004 - 02:42 PM

I'm certainly no Thompson historian, but as I understand it the Model 1928 in all its variations was the mass-produced version of the limited number of '21/'28 US Navy "overstamp" guns made from the original '21 Colts. The '21/'28 Colts, in addition to having a reduced rate of fire, used a modified '21 actuator that proved prone to breakage and was replaced in the '28s with a one-piece actuator. According to what I've read, there were 652,000 '28s produced (as opposed to only 15,000 of the original Colt '21s, only a small percentage of which are "overstamps"), under many different contracts and at different times. ALL were made by either AOC or Savage, in both commercial and military versions. To give some idea of the variation in '28s, they were made using three different types of sights, finned as well as plain barrels, with and without compensators (two types of these were used as well), horizontal and vertical foregrips, three different types of selector/safety levers, and blued or parkerized finishes that could range in color from smoke blue to charcoal. The 1928A1 was the military version, the 1928AC ("C" stood for compensator or Cutts) was the commercial.

The West Hurley '28s were produced after Numrich acquired the inventory and rights to what remained of AOC, long after production had ceased. Some of the earlier West Hurleys used original AOC or Savage parts, but as these stocks were depleted they began making their own. The later model WH guns used softer, more machinable steel in the receivers and frames, workmanship was not up to even the standards of the AOC and Savage guns, and according to some sources, certain critical dimensions and angles in the receivers were incorrect as well. This is why WH Thompsons have never commanded the high prices of the earlier models. Most of the market price of Thompsons is attributable to the fact that they are registered. That said, one would have to know a lot more about it than I do to be able to establish a value on the guns you're looking at, but it's fair to say an original AOC or Savage '28 has greater intrinsic value.
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#7 Lancer

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Posted 23 September 2004 - 02:58 PM

Buzzer,
Check out the FAQ section. It covers this info pretty good.


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Posted 23 September 2004 - 04:39 PM

Yes - I have been reading the FAQ with great interest as well as a really good history at

http://www.nfatoys.com/tsmg/

but I am still a little hazy on the Model of 1928, Model of 1928A1.

I think it is because there are variants out there. I see 1928s with vertical foregrips and others with horizontal. They all seem to have cocking knobs on the top. I think all the WH 1928s are with vertical foregrip but I'm not sure.
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Posted 23 September 2004 - 05:10 PM

jbarms has a WH 28 Korean War Comm Thompson (C&R) for $10,750.
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Posted 23 September 2004 - 10:05 PM

The fore grip is just a piece of wood to hang on to. All the 1928's,and 1921's, have the charging knob on top. The military style gun have a horizontal type fore grip, unless it was a very early original 1928 used by the military. If you want a horizontal or vertical grip is your own personal choice. What feel good to you. I have a horizontal grip on my WH 1928 and I shoot better with it. My buddy likes the vertical grip and does better with it. So it's a personal choice thing there. Buy the gun and then see how well you shoot it with the grip on it. You can change the grip for under $25-$50.
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