
1927a5 Barrels?
Started by
nedry
, Sep 28 2004 07:57 PM
10 replies to this topic
#1
Posted 28 September 2004 - 07:57 PM
I know I should contact ATF for a firm answer on this, but I'm just looking for best guesses here. What I'm thinking of doing, when I find an A5 and the price is right, is replacing the 13" no-comp barrel with a 10.5" 1921AC/28AC barrel with comp. Anybody have any thoughts about legality of this?
#2
Posted 28 September 2004 - 08:33 PM
Must remain 26". You cannot install a 10" Barrel, without first registering the Firearm as an AOW. $5.00 Tax.
#3
Posted 28 September 2004 - 08:46 PM
OK, that rules that out. Thanks. Washington state= no Title II except silencers (and then you can't use even those). How much length does the comp add? (If the comp's permanently pinned/welded on, the '27A1 guys have used that to buy a little barrel reduction before... could it work here, too, as long as OAL remains 26+"?) Besides, even if WA were AOW-ok, I'd still have to get an OK from ATF before traveling in Oregon (one of the few other 1927A5-ok-for-ccw states).
Edited by nedry, 28 September 2004 - 08:47 PM.
#4
Posted 29 September 2004 - 04:08 AM
Little bulky under your coat but legal none the less..........
#5
Posted 29 September 2004 - 06:45 AM
Even with a comp (welded) on the barrel, the gun still falls short of the 26" minimum.
My suggestion is to have a non functional comp fitted OVER the original barrel. On a semi auto, the comp is more or less for looks anyway.
This way the gun remains legal and will look more like real SMG (without the stock.)
Norm
My suggestion is to have a non functional comp fitted OVER the original barrel. On a semi auto, the comp is more or less for looks anyway.
This way the gun remains legal and will look more like real SMG (without the stock.)

Norm
#6
Posted 29 September 2004 - 07:09 AM
I’ve done a couple of A5’s with custom 13.5” OAL barrels with permanently mounted Cutts. This makes them only 1” longer than a SMG barrel with Cutts.
Add true SMG barrel contour and it’s difficult to tell the difference at a glance.
Add true SMG barrel contour and it’s difficult to tell the difference at a glance.
#7
Posted 29 September 2004 - 11:29 AM
One needs to write the ATF Tech Branch to find out whether or not an individual can install a 10" Barrel along with a Horizontal Grip without registering their A5 as an AOW. I believe it can be.
#8
Posted 29 September 2004 - 11:33 AM
QUOTE (LIONHART @ Sep 29 2004, 11:29 AM) |
One needs to write the ATF Tech Branch to find out whether or not an individual can install a 10" Barrel along with a Horizontal Grip without regisetring their A5 as an AOW. I believe it can be. |
+1
I was just thinking the same thing. The whole AOW deal is because it has a vertical pistol grip under the barrel, if you put a horizontal forearm on it then it should be legal to put a shorter barrel on it. This is the same deal as with an AR pistol, you can build one up with the standard style handguards but you can't install a vert. pistol grip on it or it'll become an AOW. Personally, I'd rather have a horizontal forearm on something like this, it would make it more compact and I think it'll look better.
#9
Posted 29 September 2004 - 11:52 AM
Right you are Frank, and lets not forget the AK47 Style Pistols hitting the Marketplace. Krinks with standard Laminated Upper/Lowers Handgurads less than 26". And as you pointed out, installing a Vertical on either one would consitute building an AOW. However, if someone were to do this to an A5, best to contact ATF first. It wouold be a nice thought if Karh introduced an All Steel A5, rather than one constructed of Alloy..
#10
Posted 29 September 2004 - 12:06 PM
QUOTE (LIONHART @ Sep 29 2004, 11:52 AM) |
Right you are Frank, and lets not forget the AK47 Style Pistols hitting the Marketplace. Krinks with standard Laminated Upper/Lowers Handgurads less than 26". And as you pointed out, installing a Vertical on either one would consitute building an AOW. However, if someone were to do this to an A5, best to contact ATF first. It wouold be a nice thought if Karh introduced an All Steel A5, rather than one constructed of Alloy.. |
By the way Lionhart, I like your avatar, I've watched this guy play Sherlock Holmes and he does an excellent job. OK, back to topic,LOL.
#11
Posted 29 September 2004 - 04:41 PM
Oh, crud. This seemingly-simple project (aside from acquiring the raw materiel for it) just got a LOT more complicated, all due to the grip issue and my partiality to the original vertical foregrip.
Thanks much for all the advice, everybody. Before I do anything on hardware, I'll definitely contact ATF to make sure I know what the limits are so I can add a reasonable safety margin to stay within bounds.
Thanks much for all the advice, everybody. Before I do anything on hardware, I'll definitely contact ATF to make sure I know what the limits are so I can add a reasonable safety margin to stay within bounds.