From Russia With Love
Posted 02 October 2004 - 06:26 PM
Thinking optimistically, maybe a legal way to get them imported could be found for the benefit of all.
Advice hardrede, could some outfit like sarco do this?
I can tell you the way to bring it in to the US. At first we send you a drum without any inner parts, just the box (it's not illegal). And several days later we send you all the inner parts (it's also not illegal). This way really work.
Thank's, I'll try to contact Sarco.
Looking for future cooperation,
Oleg, Those are nice looking drums. After consulting people here, it
>appears it would not be legal for me to have them imported without lots of
>Perhaps I could suggest contacting Sarco.com as they seem to have a great
>deal of experience with importing guns and parts, perhaps a partnership
>could be made and then it would be possible to buy them.
>From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:27 PM
>Subject: Thompson SMG 50 Round L Drum Magazines
>Sorry, can't tell you anything about WPS, the most drums are marked like at
>the photos I'm sending to you (with a little difference):
>If you have any further interest, please get back to me.
Posted 02 October 2004 - 09:25 PM
Posted 03 October 2004 - 04:17 AM
Avoid this guy like a hornet's nest, or you may end up in chains in the federal pen!
Posted 03 October 2004 - 12:09 PM
Posted 03 October 2004 - 12:33 PM
Posted 03 October 2004 - 04:27 PM
Thanks for the information. I'll try to contact some licensed gun dealers, who have experience with importing guns and parts, perhaps a partnership could be made and then it would be possible to buy them legal in US.
While "Oleg's" trustworthiness may be another story, I really don't see the harm in communicating and asking reasonable questions. I see no reason why any regulatory agency would infer from my communication OR from Dan's - or for that matter from "Oleg's" responses - that we were doing anything other than trying to encourage LEGAL importation of the drums. I'm a law-abiding citizen, and I suffer a lot of the sometimes idiotic rules and regulations without too much complaint because I AM law-abiding. However, I'll be damned if I'm going to vette every word I say or email I send with the "thought police" just because someone somewhere might (mistakenly) think that I'm entering into some kind of criminal conspiracy. This is, after all, America (or at least I hope it is)!
Posted 03 October 2004 - 07:04 PM
If there was any way, the drums would have been here many years ago. The Ira Trasks of the world would have done so, and sold them long ago. The world is full of M1s in new condition as well as other items which will never see the US again.
"A true wet dream" but something to do for the terminable bored!
Posted 03 October 2004 - 08:18 PM
Posted 03 October 2004 - 11:10 PM
I'm not questioning your credentials as an authority on this area of the law, but unless you're the Federal official who's going to actually make the yea or nay determination on whatever import application may or may not result from Oleg's inquiries, I really don't understand why you're so exercised about it. Don't know about you, but I'VE certainly got better things to do than try and convince the world that nothing can under any circumstances be legally imported from Russia - ever. A year ago no one thought we'd be organizing a group purchase of new production L-drums either, yet here we are.
Posted 04 October 2004 - 08:42 PM
Posted 04 October 2004 - 11:39 PM
This isn't to carry on any kind of argument , since I never disagreed with you in the first place, but the import/export-related Code section you posted in your other thread states as follows:
(a) It is the policy of the United States to deny licenses, other approvals, exports and imports of defense articles and defense services, destined for or originating in certain countries. This policy applies to: Albania, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Byelarus, Cambodia, Cuba, Estonia, Georgia, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Mongolia, North Korea, Romania, Russia, South Africa, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine Uzbekistan and Vietnam.
(You highlighted Russia and Ukraine in your original post, and I highlight Romania here.)
In your response above you stated that the legally imported AKs are Polish, Romanian, and Czech. Wouldn't the fact that there are huge numbers of Romanian AKs and parts being imported and sold indicate the no-import policy set forth above is at least SOMEWHAT flexible? After all, if the above-stated regulation were hidebound and enforced to the letter, imports from Romania SHOULD be just as illegal as those from Russia.
Believe me when I say I'm really not trying to play a game of "gotcha" here, but I think you'd concede this as a valid point. Unless the legally imported Romanian AKs were perhaps transferred first to a country not on the no-import list, it indicates that the DOS/DTC has SOME discretionary authority. If that's the case, why couldn't the same discretion be exercised in permitting imports from Russia? If the AKs WERE transferred to an "okay" country first, and imported from there, why couldn't the same be done with Russian goods?
Edited by Bob B, 04 October 2004 - 11:40 PM.
Posted 05 October 2004 - 12:42 AM
Posted 05 October 2004 - 01:09 AM
That might indeed make a difference, but if that's the case it goes beyond the information that hardrede provided in his post titled "Russia and Defense Articles / This should about cover it". The Lend Lease aspect is very probably another obstacle to legal importation, but it still doesn't explain the exception that was evidently carved out to allow importation of Romanian AKs in apparent contravention of the DOS/DTC policy cited in support of the position that NOTHING could be imported from Russia.
Posted 05 October 2004 - 12:14 PM
Thanks for all your valuable input.
Posted 05 October 2004 - 12:26 PM