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#21 colt21a

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Posted 28 October 2004 - 11:27 AM

i just sold a 1928a1 savage,with a flat ejector in it.never checked to see if it was repo!!since it came from a p.d.from the 60's..i figured they never changed it.wink!!

on the flattie issue buy them if you need them,

the next stage goldplated thompson parts as jewelery to wear at gun show's...i can see it ejector's, trigger's, hammer pin's...extractor's...and for the really big fella, bolts and actuator's around the neck,with nice gold chain!!

yep the next 'stage"

for sale: original gold plated 21 actuator>$975.00 wear it with pride.made in u.s.a.double wink!!

take care,ron

oh!! and what happened to that sammie new-bee..??the post should be right up his alley.

he clammed up quick when i posted...frikkin pimp!!
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 11:56 AM

I agree that placing a maker's mark, in an unseen when installed place, on a repro part is a good idea and will neither detract nor hinder sales of the item if it is actually needed. I had an completely authentic Confederate "CS" belt buckle I bought 25 years ago that had "Reproduction" stamped on the tongue of the belt hook and no one ever saw it unless I showed it to them. I see no difference here. To me it's like Major Thompson having the "secret serial number". If it can be placed where it can be used for autheniticating the origin of the item but not a glaring out of place "in your face" farby stamp.. Why not do it??
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 12:09 PM

QUOTE (PK. @ Oct 28 2004, 07:09 AM)


As someone quite familiar with the manufacturing process I feel somewhat qualified to say that if he has made these just as the originals were, $90 is a bargain. There is more scrap removed than there is part left on that one, add thread timing and polishing,

I looked at these some years ago, and wondered how the threading was even done. It would either take some sort of special fixture to hold it in a lathe, or maybe a die was used? I agree, to mill this out of solid barstock, originally, seemed not efficent. I am surprised the originals were not made as three piece assemblies

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Posted 28 October 2004 - 12:58 PM

Ron,

I'm interested in two of your GP 21 actuators. Please email me with ordering information including S&H charges. Will you be marking them with "plated by______"? (wink-wink-wink!).

Thanks in advance, Bob D

Those Lyman rear sights would look great with a little auric mist as well.
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 04:14 PM

Ron,

How about gold plated compensator, trigger, rear sight, and actuator? Oh, wait, the Commemoratives have those!
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 05:10 PM

Lionhart,

If it doesn't matter, why are there those on this board, you being one of them, who have openly admitted they would not buy any replica part with the manufacturers mark?

This issue must be somewhat polarizing since PK does put a mark on his repros while GH does not. Maybe this is due to the fact PK actually makes his parts, and GH is merely the distributor/designer(?) of someone else's work. Maybe the machinist should have just gone ahead and made his mark, as it were, and then GH wouldn't have had to make the decision.

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Posted 28 October 2004 - 07:17 PM

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When you get into the area a Bloomington judge, it is already a given that what he is looking at,for the most part,is an assembly of reproduction parts,unless he is judging in a `Survivor class`, and those manufactorers of those parts paid a license fee to,in this case,GM. The Thompson parts reproduction industry does not seem to be so well organized...the marking not so critical...this was the case several years ago in the reproduction parts industry,until GM was blamed for faulty parts they weren`t actually making...lawsuit= licensing fee..something I personally don`t want to see GH have to do...my .02... wink.gif
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 09:34 PM

wow and if the guy who made gordon's parts initial's are A.H. then can we say..once owned or made by"ADOLPH HITLER???

that could bring some extra buck's from nazi{german} collector's....another can of worms to ponder....wanna go fishin??we's got's the worm's..wink!!

well i have to go box up two gold plated actuator's...i have the order's flyin in....what every well dressed thompson man,with his wd-40 stained t-shirt...

take care,ron
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Posted 29 October 2004 - 11:39 AM

gordon gold plated ejector's...for sale:rare rare....$279.00

marked a.h.and if you order today.we throw in a 1921a thompson!!{squirt gun black plastic} you will be the envy of all the neighborhood!!

chain is extra...wink!!

take care,ron


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#30 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 29 October 2004 - 01:07 PM

Ron,
The M&M doctrine is being violated. Make em, but Mark em.

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Posted 29 October 2004 - 02:18 PM

i guess the only thing i ever made was money..and spent it!!so never got in to the making of repro item's....

i am retirin out of the bizz.......so really its does not make a difference to me what any of them do!!

over 33 years i sold the best of the best,on whatever i had to offer.and was proud of that record...now let somebody else step forward and break that record....


oh!! make sure they bring alot of cold cash!!

they will need it.wink!!

thanks to everybody that cleaned me out.and refund check's in the mail to those that missed something...

continue the "quest"

and art take care of that 28navy...watch the patina..

ron /colt 21a

soon:retired 21a
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Posted 29 October 2004 - 07:12 PM

So, you are implying I am dishonest. And I am not going to buy an ejector, or a tin box, as I don't care.

Personally, as far as I am concerned a part that is identical, and indistinguishable, is the same damn part, whether it was made 80 years ago, or yesterday, or who made it, as long as it is identical. One is worth no more or no less than the other to me. Good grief, is someone really going to pay $300 for 80 year old ejector, rather than $90 for a new one, just because it is an *original* part, and they can brag about tehir original part? maybe peolel do, i don't see the allure? I don't understand this. It is not dishonesty, I just fail to see what damn difference it makes if one part is older than another, as long as they are both identical, to me they are the same part.

I guess I just don't have the collector mindset to go around and brag about my all original whatever, and get my panties bunched if a duplicate becomes available, as I really don't care.

Now if I am going to buy something, I want it to look original, and not honked up with some *identifying feature* or mark. I want an identical something. But then, I have no financial stake in this, and have nothing to lose. But I guess I just don't understand this fascination with originality, pedigree, etc, as I really don't care. I just want product. A TSMG is a TSMG, no matter who made it, a part is a part no matter who made it, some are just better made than others.

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Posted 29 October 2004 - 07:44 PM

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Now if I am going to buy something, I want it to look original, and not honked up with some *identifying feature* or mark. I want an identical something.  AZ Doug


Your own post not only contradicts your philosophy in the same paragraph, but it betrays your bizarre ratiocination. You object to a mark on the inside of an ejector, which would never be seen when on the receiver (how this rises to the level of a "honked up" neon sign eludes me), but the thought that there is a tiny mark, completely hidden, is just too much for your purists sensibilities? This is rather an irrational stipulation for a person who claims not to care when a part was made, yet wants his new part to be unmistakable to the original vintage part in every conceivable way. In fact, the words forgery and counterfeit, apparently don't exist in your lexicon.

Even George Numrich's N.A.C. Colt TSMG's didn't eradicate the "S's" from the Savage parts to complete a functioning weapon. Had you been in league with him at the time these N.A.C's were assembled, they would no doubt be remembered for their subterfuge, and not just their Frankenstein nature.

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Posted 29 October 2004 - 09:07 PM

Well, Arthur, i guess I am just jaded from my early 1970's Corvette experiences. Back before Corvettes became popular, and correspondingly expensive, the people that owned them were enthusiasts,and not buying them as an invesment. They worked, made their cars run, and repaired them as best they could as there was no aftermarket source for parts.

You either did without parts, put the wrong year parts on your car as you could find them, or had beat up used parts. And everybody understood.

Then, about 1976 the climate changed. The rich collector got involved, and they paid to have somebody else hunt up rare parts and work on their cars. these jerks would show up at the meets and parade their all original whatever, or professionally restored, and fastidiously point out that so and so's car had the incorrect grill or rear view mirror. Pompous assholes, they were.

They were the type that wanted the plebians to have parts that were marked as reproductions, so they could point out their obviuos superiority to everybody else, as they had original parts on theirs, and the car next to them didn't. And of course, they didn't want their investment diluted, as they did not love the cars, they were in it for the money, and the snobbery of having something better than anybody else that they could brag about at the Country Club.

When repos became available, it was a godsend to everybody else, and I bless them for it. And that new chrome, didn't have special markings to to say "hey, I was recently made, the guy that bought this bought it because he couldn't afford to pay 10 times the price for rare unvailalble stuff", and it allowed that guy to make his car look pristine.

Read into this what you wish, but I am not trying to *fool* anybody by wanting parts that look like they originally came with the car/gun/whatever. As i said, i see no difference on who made it, or when it was made,a s long as it is indistinguishable, it is the same.

Go for it Gordon, make more parts. I am going to buy an ejector from you just because I can!



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Posted 30 October 2004 - 09:52 AM

I have no problem with the new Gordon Herigstad (GH) flat ejector not being marked. It would be my personal preference that all reproduction parts be marked in some manner; however, the fact this functional part isn’t marked doesn’t really bother me. My reasons are twofold; one, this is a functional part and two; it is not a prohibitively expensive part. I am more interested in test or operational reports on this item than I am reproduction issues. My guess is the supply is limited (due to what have to be expensive production costs) and GH ejectors may very well become a collector’s item in its own right someday. To that end, I believe it is a part that was definitely needed and no doubt will sell. I would guess the majority of people purchasing this part would only want to dress up their non-Colt Thompson. Will these GH ejectors find there way to Colt Thompsons? Yes, just like the Savage ejectors that are installed on Colt Thompsons now.

I have more problems with the reproduction GH Thompson Spare Parts Kits not being marked. I do feel that these kits will at some point in time be passed off as originals to some innocent buyers. Would a small mark prevent this? Probably not, but it would make it more difficult to be dishonest. After viewing the reproduction GH parts kit and an original parts kit side by side, I will tell all the differences are discernable. Now, with off the shelf reproduction kit boxes available, a prospective buyer has to be a little smarter. If I were in the market for an original parts kit (or ejector), I would definitely purchase a GH reproduction first to learn the differences and to have on hand to do a side-by-side comparison before making a purchase. Informed buyers are not as likely to be cheated as those who just spend money without a full analysis of what they are purchasing.

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Posted 30 October 2004 - 10:40 PM

Everybody will bitch and moan about these parts 'til they are blue in the face. That is until you need one.
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Posted 31 October 2004 - 06:15 PM

To anyone:

Do you feel a refinished gun should be stamped as such? blink.gif

Would you stamp your gun with "REFINISHED" somewhere on your Thompson if you had it refinshed?

After all, refinished guns being sold as original finish guns are one of the biggest swindles going in the Thompson world. Since at some point in time your Thompson will probably be resold (maybe even after you are gone), how will the buyer know without this mark?

Just food fot thought.

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Posted 31 October 2004 - 07:53 PM

yes all thompson's that are restored no matter how great they look and m1's and savage and a.o. any one of them should havea sheet with them notarized from the last owner.
that whatever could be replaced has been replaced.with repro parts and with look-a-like parts
not original to the gun.and scribed on the rec.as such...

and if any wood has been taken off.its to be burned on the underside 'REPLACEMENT"not original when it left the plant!!

and every drum,case,firing pin ejector...magazine..manual!!

i can just see it now.and a investigative search, on the last ten owners...with proper documents signed from all of them attesting to this mess......

is this brain surgery???

or brain fart???

i was trying to buy a german 100 assault badge recently,and priced from $650.00 to $1,100.00...and replicas are out there.

i went with a replica in minty new cond...because i could not even trust the supposed original....so i know what i am buying..and not getting burned...

sometimes we get too nuts in this hobby./collecting buying selling FUN!!

yep i can see the 1921a colt replica set now....with restored on the side of the rec.and frame..with all paperwork...and the new customer saying "aw man!! i did not want all this stuff marked up for $48,000.00.and the seller saying "oh wait" i got another in the back room same deal no mark's for $56,700.00 wanna deal???

gimme a freakin break people its gun's....tool's..shooter's..

we have fun with the stuff.lately its a royal pain to even deal anymore.......it was nice when it was priced better...and not a shark feedin frenzy....

and the beat go's on..wink!! take care,ron


okay phil blast away!!
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#39 Dave Janowski

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Posted 23 November 2004 - 09:11 PM

I think 90.00 flat ejectors are a bargain! Shoot, I bought a Savage flat ejector and a beat up pitted old Colt for 250.00 last year, had these been available I would have just bought TWO NEW ones, and still had some extra coin!!

What a perfect addition to a "shooter" colt that you don’t want to ruin perishable parts on!

I really don’t think Gordon is tying to pass off his ejectors as new colts, give the man the benefit of the doubt!

I really don’t think ANYONE on this board is a thief in any way!

Just my .02

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Posted 23 November 2004 - 09:30 PM

DIE THREAD DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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