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#1 Hawkeye_Joe

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Posted 27 October 2004 - 04:43 PM

Fed-Ex will only ship Overnight at an exorbitant rate of over $100.00.. mad.gif

Anybody got any suggestions here??.. I have a small window of opportunity to get this shipped the seller is leaving the country in 48 hours.. HELP!

We need to do something people.. this is gonna effect us all...................

Anyone know if DHL will ship??
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#2 LIONHART

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Posted 27 October 2004 - 04:49 PM

It seems to me if you only have 48 Hours, you better pic FedEx!
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Posted 27 October 2004 - 04:52 PM

I have been trying to wake this board up to this issue with LITTLE succcess.
I feel most believe it is not an issue.
Let me ask everyone here, what are you going to do when FedEx doesn't agree to ship?
THINK ABOUT IT REAL LONG AND HARD
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Posted 27 October 2004 - 05:00 PM

I dont think DHL will ship guns at all of any kind.

Don't tell them what it is, prepackage it and insure it for a high price and claim its a rare chinese artifact if they ask.

Worth a try anyway.

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Posted 27 October 2004 - 05:04 PM

QUOTE (Sig @ Oct 27 2004, 03:52 PM)
I have been trying to wake this board up to this issue with LITTLE succcess.
I feel most believe it is not an issue.
Let me ask everyone here, what are you going to do when FedEx doesn't agree to ship?
THINK ABOUT REAL LONG AND HARD

I have thought about it and I have this to offer:

Fed Ex delivered my Tommygun.
UPS shipped and UPS returned and shipped again my 1919a4.

Its not an issue for me.

Besides, I am not entirely sure they have any right to know exactly what your shipping anyway as long as its not illegal to send it through a mail system. Like I posted above, tell them its something else.

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Posted 27 October 2004 - 05:12 PM

I copied this from the DHL website. Note the firearms comment.
Again what are we going to do when FedEx doesn't ship anymore?


2 Unacceptable Shipments

Shipper agrees that its Shipment is acceptable for transportation and is deemed unacceptable if:


it is classified as hazardous material, dangerous goods, prohibited or restricted articles by IATA (International Air Transport Association), ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation), any applicable government department or other relevant organisation;
no customs declaration is made when required by applicable customs regulations; or
DHL decides it cannot transport an item safely or legally (such items include but are not limited to: animals, bullion, currency, bearer form negotiable instruments, precious metals and stones, firearms, parts thereof and ammunition, human remains, pornography and illegal narcotics/drugs).

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Posted 27 October 2004 - 05:17 PM

John Jr
I am glad UPS shipped your 1919A4, hope you do not need to make an insurance claim if you use them again.
I guess that is my point, how are you going to insure a $30,000 Colt TSMG with UPS? Basically you can not unless you ID the item in truth, thus I can not ship a TSMG or any automatic weapon I sell or want to buy by UPS. Since my only last remaining choice is FedEx I keep asking what are we going to do then? Not sure but by signing a shipping document with any carrier I believe most any carrier's lawyer worth their salt makes sure that you are in compliance with their policies.
I can not believe no one else sees this as an issue.
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Posted 27 October 2004 - 05:33 PM

Not an issue here UPS has always handled my weapons, semis, handguns, the whole lot.

When I shipped the 27, no one asked, and I didn't tell. Packed it in a long stem rose box, seemed fitting. They were not interested in seeing any FFL documentation.

Just went in filled out the shipping label on the computer added the amount of insurance I wanted and paid.

It sounds like a possible issue at your particular UPS office.

Also I wasn't shipping a FA, or requesting insurance above $2k!

Edited by Grey Crow, 27 October 2004 - 06:03 PM.

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Posted 27 October 2004 - 06:22 PM

What buyer wouldn't pay the additional C note for piece of mind over night shipping for a Thompson SMG that already cost them between $12K and $40K depending on what it is? The final stage of transferring the gun over to the buyer shouldn't be the time to get parsimonious.
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Posted 27 October 2004 - 06:31 PM

I just shipped a Ruger AC-556 to the factory for repairs. Their shop told me to "Just use the USPS and insure it for max. ($5000)." Ruger got the gun and returned it via UPS with the only requirement that an adult signature was necessary. It cost $72.15 to insure and ship First Class. The gun is worth more than $5k, but I wasn't willing to pay the additional insurance. On a $20k+ Tommy - I'd pay. dry.gif
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Posted 27 October 2004 - 06:48 PM

I always use USPS REGISTERED mail. There is no more secure method.

The insurance is whatever you say it is, and the post office claims never to have lost a registered item. I shipped a gun in a long double-thickness carton just the other day to Arizona; it took three days, and the cost was $19.94. $10 was for the registered service; $9.94 was the shipping. If someone did ask what the item is, I'd just say, "Antique firearm, unloaded." They've never asked what it was, only whether it is dangerous or fragile. Just remember to seal your package with paper tape as it will accept the anti-tampering stamps that will be applied.

Have you ever tried to get UPS to pay off on their insurance? Have you ever had them just leave a package on your porch clearly marked "delivery confirmation/signature required?" FedEx is the same way. Forget them.

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Posted 27 October 2004 - 06:51 PM

Hawkeye_Joe,
Arthur hit the nail dead center...
Piece of mind, overnight, they know what it is, ins. etc...
FedEx, $100.00... and the Tommie's home.
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Posted 27 October 2004 - 06:53 PM

UPS is fast becoming a PC compliant shipper. To make matters even worse is that the counter help is often inept or downright impudent. Last year I sold a saddle to a gentleman in Germany, and the employee at the UPS counter was quite agitated when I told her that the package was shipping internationally. She first asked what the contents of the package consisted of, and I informed her it was a saddle. Her response was, "A saddle! Why would someone in Germany be buying a saddle from the United States?" She then offered some advice..."Why don't you just take it to Fedex?"

I ended up shipping the saddle USPS for a fraction of the price of UPS. I did speak with the location manager, who knew that the company my wife and I own totals monthly shipping bills in excess of $1000.00 with UPS. He assured me that the employee would be dealt with....11 months later she's still there...still as ignorant to company policy as ever, and still surly about doing her job.

Same deal when I sent a Thompson to PK last year. UPS would not take unless I sent it through a licensed dealer. I ended up shipping and receiving through the USPS with no problems. My local postmaster asked what was in the package, I told her and she shipped it. She then called me when it was received from PK.

I have now been informed that UPS will no longer ship raw furs to auction houses in succumbing international pressure.

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Posted 27 October 2004 - 07:52 PM

Hi guys,
Here is part of the problem. There are several airports in the U.S. that do not allow firearms to pass thru their airport, INCLUDING FIREARMS SHIPPED AS FREIGHT. Some of the ones that come to mind are Newark, La Guardia, and Boston Logan.
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Posted 27 October 2004 - 08:17 PM

QUOTE (Sig @ Oct 27 2004, 05:17 PM)



I can not believe no one else sees this as an issue.
michael

i see your point, but what are we supposed to do, boycott them?

i might ship something once every 6months, i don't think they would notice me boycotting them ph34r.gif
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Posted 27 October 2004 - 08:24 PM

I recently sent an MK 760 to PK via UPS. They asked what was in the package and wanted to see. They asked if there were any magazines in the box, which there were none. They then sealed it up, insured it for 4K and sent it ground 5 day delivery time. Cost about $30.00 total. Gun arrived with no problems. This was less than one month ago. As long as it is not a handgun it should not have to go by the high priced overnite rate. If the counter person gives you a hard time, which has happened to me on occasion, ask for a supervisor. They have always handled the situation without much ado. Just my .02
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Posted 27 October 2004 - 09:22 PM

Just received victor uzi. Fedex , no problems.
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Posted 27 October 2004 - 10:38 PM

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What buyer wouldn't pay the additional C note for piece of mind over night shipping for a Thompson SMG that already cost them between $12K and $40K depending on what it is? The final stage of transferring the gun over to the buyer shouldn't be the time to get parsimonious.


QUOTE
Hawkeye_Joe,
Arthur hit the nail dead center...
Piece of mind, overnight, they know what it is, ins. etc...
FedEx, $100.00... and the Tommie's home.
Zamm


You guys act like it's a matter of being a cheapskate.. it's not.. I can afford to pay.. but why should I be held up and robbed of more than $100.00..(shipping costs is $140.00 for Fed-Ex over-night according to the Dealer) by some ignorant hourly drone or his Super at UPS? He's going back to the PO tomorrow and have another talk to the Postmistress there.

Arthur, you got C notes burning holes in your pocket send me one and I'll STFU. Better yet send it to Nick in my name.. laugh.gif
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Posted 27 October 2004 - 10:48 PM

UPS did, and does leave packages lay on the front porch!

When I had my firearms business there were a few times when the shop was closed, and a rifle and a handgun were left on the door step. "Without getting a signature".. If something would have happened to them, it would have been my arse...

The scary part was at that time I was in a rather rough part of town where the neighbors would love and "USE" a gun in any manner they saw fit....
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Posted 27 October 2004 - 11:35 PM

Hawkeye Joe,

Why didn't you arrange for the buyer to pay for the shipping up front in the first place under the stipulation it would go out overnight insured, instead of now having to sweat the details at crunch time?

What buyer would not want their property sent as fast and as safe as possible and wouldn't pay the $100-$140 for this service?

Why do you consider it highway robbery to pay the going rate for insured overnight when this has been de rigueur for quite some time?

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