Atf Thompson Transfer - What Can I Do?!?
Posted 04 November 2004 - 08:06 PM
I'm at my wits end with the ATF.
I have a Thompson out on transfer since the first week of May this year. No big deal. I wait 90 calendar days. Nothing. Well, maybe is 90 business days - nothing. So I decide to call after about 4 calendar months and I'm told I'm still pending.
I wait a month a politely call back on the 5th of October. Still pending. I ask to speak to my examiner, Tammy. She is actually very nice and checks my paperwork and finds that "my fingerprint cards were not sent to the FBI to check." Okay, so she sends them off, promises to call me back in a few days, implying it wouldn't take long. I call her in a week, leave a polite message and don't get a call back. I wait four more weeks (this week) and, you guessed it, still pending. I call her supervisor Dawn, get her voice mail, politely ask her to call me and that was two days ago.
I really think I have been pateint with them and the last thing I want to do is be a PITA by calling them every week. I have concerns because I would probably still be sitting there without them sending my cards to the FBI if I didn't inquire about it on 10/05. That is the ATF's job - NOT MINE!!! I get promised that the cards would come back within a few days I would get a call back and nothing for a month (and counting). I cannot get an employee or her supervisor to ever call me back. All I want to know is what is going on and what I can do to help (if anything - resubmit cards, etc). I have other NFA items and never had such poor service in a transfer before. I submitted all of my paperwork correctly (to my knowledge) and was never asked to submit any thing since.
So, I guess I'm back to square one.... another 3 months? 6 months? I don't even know anymore.
Anyone have any advice (besides chill out) or stories? I have heard other horror stories of transfer times and always considered myself lucky ... until now. If the ATF was a business, they would have lost me as a customer for pretty much lacking any customer service when I need it.
Sorry for the rant. I want my Thompson!!!
Posted 04 November 2004 - 08:37 PM
It's a try? Obviously put the serial number on it, tell Tammy you'd spoken to her and would like an update, bla, bla, bla.
Be nice. I know it's VERY hard but more flies with honey .....
My $ .02
Posted 04 November 2004 - 08:43 PM
Posted 04 November 2004 - 09:14 PM
Posted 04 November 2004 - 09:45 PM
Posted 04 November 2004 - 10:46 PM
My 02 , 2Dogs.....OUT
Posted 05 November 2004 - 08:09 AM
Since I have no way of knowing which transfer the prints were from, both examiners have been contacted. So far, no explanation. I'm a very patient man for a valid reason but to say they don't do the prints for ATF is a bit thin.
Posted 05 November 2004 - 09:09 AM
Some clerk obviously gave someone the wrong information. Maybe a new employee at the FBI, maybe a new employee at the NFA Branch, who knows? Someone has the incorrect information. The fingerprint cards are checked by the FBI and this is generally where the longest part of the delay in the process occurs.
If the fingerprint cards were returned for a clerical error of some sort this could further delay the process. Remember, the NFA Branch is small and not a huge priority in the overall scheme of BATF. Patience and a polite attitude when making inquiries goes a long way in allowing the process to be completed successfully.
Posted 05 November 2004 - 10:00 AM
Posted 05 November 2004 - 11:05 AM
I'm sure it was a newbie with the Bureau. Our Prints Officer spoke with 3 differant people with the FBI trying to straighten it out but each one he spoke had the same answer. One did mention the REASON for the prints was wrong. I've always used "NFA Transfer" in that box, not sure why that would be wrong this time.
Politeness goes a long way with nearly everyone in Gov't at all levels; city, county, state and federal.
Posted 05 November 2004 - 01:03 PM
Something just occurred to me while rereading your post. You stated the FBI returned the cards to your department? Are you a member of a law enforcement agency? If so, did your department use their own blue FBI applicant cards with their unique ORI? If this is the case, that may be the problem. The ATF should have their own applicant type cards that they provide so the fingerprint search results are returned to them, not the the person or agency that submitted the cards.
Just trying to figure out what went wrong here, aside from an uninformed employee at the FBI end.
Posted 05 November 2004 - 10:11 PM
Yes, you are correct on all accounts and our cards do have our ORI on them but they are standard FBI applicant cards. Never been a problem before however. The cards clearly state my employer, which matches the ORI. I'll check if they now require seperate cards. I would like to get this cleared up before I submit paperwork on an M1A1 I just bought.
Posted 06 November 2004 - 06:23 AM
Posted 06 November 2004 - 01:14 PM
Thanks for the interesting responses and advice. Its reassuring to me that others have or are in the same boat I'm in and there might be light at the end of the tunnel. I guess I'm just getting a little down on the whole process and losing faith.
I decided to take a combination of advice given here and 1) contact my dealer and 2) have him fax in the information (my cancelled check, etc) to someone he deals with in the ATF.
When I talked to my dealer, he seemed pretty upset at the service he was getting too. He said he had a form 3 transfer that was going on 5 months and the other guy wanted his money on the 50/50 transfer. He also said he had a few other form 4's that were going on longer than expected and he was going work on it Tuesday with the ATF.
With all of the technology available, you would think somehow that the ATF could cut down on all these phone calls and inquiries if they could set up a secure web site so dealers and people like us could log in and see what is going on with transfers. I know its a pipe dream, but I guess they assume paying an employee to answer the phone and do it manually is better.
I guess I'm dissatisfied for four reasons:
1) No activity with my cards happened until I raised the issue ... amost 5 months later. The cards should go out right away and no one there caught the fact that nothing was happening.
2) Not getting any type of call backs on messages ... why the hell even have voicemail?
3) Maybe getting to talk to your examiner live on the telephone 5% of the time.
4) Being promised to "get a call back in a few days". Don't say it if you aren't going to do it!
I know it is what it is and we are still lucky to have the right to own NFA items, but geesh.... the bottom line is there is not a damn thing we can do as tax payers and NFA collectors who pay the salaries to support this no-account system.
Edited by DC Chris, 06 November 2004 - 01:24 PM.
Posted 09 November 2004 - 10:31 PM
Received notification that one of the pending transfers (Reising M50)is approved and I should have it by Thursday. Who knows about the 1928A1 (AC) that is pending. Identical print cards were submitted on both guns so that shouldn't be an issue. Maybe since both examiners spoke with eachother about the errant print card(s) the second transfer won't be delayed. I can only hope.
It was 14 weeks with the screw up; so hang in there !!
Posted 09 November 2004 - 11:10 PM
I am honestly happy to hear that there is some activity on one of your guns.
I'm on 26 weeks and counting. .. 6 calendar months and counting. My only saving grace is my dealer is has an indoor class three range. I can at least shoot it, but cannot take it home. I want to give it a good cleaning and oiling.
Hopefully I will have some good news before Christmas, but here is to hoping.
Edited by DC Chris, 09 November 2004 - 11:11 PM.
Posted 09 November 2004 - 11:45 PM
Posted 09 November 2004 - 11:54 PM
|QUOTE (Arthur Fliegenheimer @ Nov 9 2004, 10:45 PM)|
|No doubt all the people who submitted Stewart Forms have helped to clutter up the ATF system only to eventually get their forms back stamped with the ineluctable "DISAPPROVED."|
SBR's dont help speed up the process either.
Posted 10 November 2004 - 06:42 AM
Posted 10 November 2004 - 10:31 AM
|Why do you not want ALL NFA lover's to have the chance to own an MG? Are you afraid that your "investment" might depreciate?|
I couldn't care less if $5,000 sears were rightfully selling for $5. But no one who has submitted a Stewart app in, or out of, the 9th District has had "APPROVAL" stamped on their form. All these people have accomplished is to flood ATF with paperwork that had no chance of flying, while forcing other legitimate forms to languish in the pile. Sending in Stewart forms before there is a final decision on the ruling is folly. These people seem to be counting on a slip up by an ATF employee to send a from back inadvertently stamped "APPROVED."
For someone who is constantly memento mori to anyone who deals, buys, or sells in imported former American made NFA parts, you seem to be singing a different tune when it comes to someone sneaking a form past ATF.