Edited by hardrede, 21 September 2005 - 08:41 PM.
It's Been Fun, But........
Posted 10 December 2004 - 10:56 PM
Posted 11 December 2004 - 06:41 PM
So those that belly up with the funds can have a monopoly on kits and set their own prices...it is bad enough already...
So rather than ban the entire thing the 'one piece of the pie at a time' chipping away at our 2nd Amendment rights continues....
Who's to blame for this outrageous increase?
The Whitehouse or some 2-bit government beauracrat?
Posted 12 December 2004 - 02:09 AM
If this fee is $1750 now, what was it before?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Posted 12 December 2004 - 02:24 PM
Posted 12 December 2004 - 04:34 PM
That is on top of the $500 yearly SOT fee.
You can comment here
until Jan 7.
Also, This is worth a letter AND phone call to your Congress critter and both Senators.
Posted 12 December 2004 - 05:10 PM
I'm curious. I read your attachment. At the risk of sounding ignorant, what does this have to do with the average 07 FFL or Class 2? If I remember correctly, this has been a hotly contested issue in the past.
All of the language in the attachment seems to deal with the production of military/defense armament and the exportation of same. During my last ATF inspection, I asked the inspector about this issue and she had no knowledge of it involving anyone who was not actively involved in defense contracts and/or the importation/exportation of current military type weapons and explosives. Neither did the NFA division. She said she knew of no requirement for an 07 FFL or a class 2 to register with State Department unless they were engaged in that activity. I've been an 01 FFL and class 3 for a lot of years and am considering changing to a reduced rate manufacturing license in order to produce custom bolt action varmint/target rifles.
Over the years I've worked with and known several class 2 manufacturers and none of them have the slightest idea what this is all about. But then none of them were importing military arms or producing current military equipment for export. Maybe that's why.
I noticed there is a name and phone number in the publication to contact for questions and information. I think I'll try calling this week.
Posted 12 December 2004 - 05:35 PM
Posted 12 December 2004 - 06:25 PM
Posted 12 December 2004 - 09:35 PM
|The business of|
either manufacturing or exporting defense articles
Wouldn't this imply to those only in the business of Supplying their wares to the Military?
I am, by no means, an expert in such matters, but this is the way in which I understand it.
Posted 12 December 2004 - 10:23 PM
They can go back and assess unpaid DDTC fees for any number of years, so all those C2's that have been flying under the radar may get a nasty surprise. Simply giving up the SOT, will not erase the amount due.
Call your Congressmen and Senators.
Posted 12 December 2004 - 11:00 PM
(a) Any person who engages in the United States in the business of either manufacturing or exporting defense articles....
The key words in this language are "defense articles." I don't think any reasonable definition of defense articles would include all firearms. Single barrel shotguns, single shot .22 caliber youth rifles and Post Sample Thompson’s may be firearms, but I believe anyone would be hard pressed to show (or establish) these items are a defense article to the US Government.
As I said, I know nothing about this subject. However, before I wrote a check for this fee, I would want to see a definition of "defense articles" directly related to this cited statute or regulation. Just my 2 cents worth on this ...
Posted 13 December 2004 - 12:21 AM
Sorry, whether you sell to the US military or not, is irrelevent., you gotta pay, and you will get your letter demanding the fees.
call your congressman and complain, don't argue here saying you are exempt because of (whatever reason).
Posted 13 December 2004 - 07:23 AM
Posted 13 December 2004 - 08:32 AM
|QUOTE (hardrede @ Dec 12 2004, 07:24 PM)|
| or furnishing defense services|
I think that this is the important phrase.
Private contractors like Blackwater Security make huge coin by sending former SF & SO operators into hot spots like Iraq to provide security for defense contractors. Think how much the Gov will make if each of these INDIVIDUALS must pay this fee.Some of these guys are earning a much as a 100 G a year to provide basic security. And there ar probably a lot more of them than SOT and exporters. Since these guys earn this pay outside the US they pay NO income taxes on it. If the Gov can not stop this they at least want a cut.
The other problem is they wear all US gear and look like US soldiers but have no qualms about firing first as they are not restricted by the rules of war. This is making our troops look bad to the locals and sets them up for retaliation when they were not the ones commiting the offending act.
Some of them are also up on charges for violating the UN ban on mercenaries.
Posted 13 December 2004 - 08:33 AM
We manufacture night vision devices...the neck cord on the night vision goggles is a black boot lace! Guess what...if someone wants them for a night vision device they automatically become a restricted item.
DO NOT think because a Federal regulation is vague that will be any protection from prosecution! We have had lots of experience with vague and even conflicting regulations... the bottom line is TOUGH! You want to play in the big leagues then you pay the price. And for ANY firearms or defense related manufacturers you are now playing in the big leagues!
There ain't no arguing with a govt audit it is just a question for your lawyers as to how much you are going to pay! Divorce is cheaper and less painful.
Been there, done that. I know where of I speak.
I could tell you many horror stories of BIG corporations that have gotten hammered on pitiful compliance technicalities for millions of dollars of fines!!
Director of Operations
Posted 13 December 2004 - 08:36 AM
And if by some miracle you think you "beat" them on a technicality...hahahahahaha
Boy are you in for a surprise! You will have wished you payed the fine in full and would gladly pay it if given a second chance. The govt buracracies can be very very vengeful by auditing you to death.
I have heard too many cases of this happening too!
Posted 13 December 2004 - 09:10 PM
Posted 14 December 2004 - 12:58 AM
|QUOTE (PhilOhio @ Dec 13 2004, 11:40 AM)|
Reading what Pathfinder and Rich Urich wrote, it reminds me that those great folks who identify themselves as "your government" routinely hammer relatively innocent folks for millions of dollars in penalties for these concocted technical "violations". I had the same experiences with OSHA, in corporate life. It's just a game of gotcha, played by people who could really care less. They are just fund raisers for a rotten structure. And in the end, it is always the consumer or the taxpayer who is actually indirectly ripped off; the costs are passed along to him. It is clearly an elaborate form of hidden taxation.
Phil, I couldn't agree more. We all pay in the end! It is very much like the auto insurance rip-off game; we good drivers end up paying higher rates than we should, especially in a hell-hole like New Yorkistan. The sales tax rate in Erie County, N.Y. (home of the Buffalo Bills) just went up to 9.25%!!! Next year the property taxes will probably increase, and the politicians, who supposedly represent all of their constituents, will likely say, "at least we didn't increase the State or sales tax again this year." It is becoming more and more intolerable to continue living under socialism! Regards, Walter
Posted 15 December 2004 - 10:25 AM