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Posted 16 September 2003 - 08:10 PM
Posted 19 September 2003 - 07:58 PM
I was as puzzled as you are, but I think (can't be sure) that these people did not actually get a truely deactivated Thompson. There is a company in Russia that is making nice non-firing reproductions that are made on dummy recievers.
I have seen one for sale on gunbroker.com. It had a picture of the box it came in. The box has Cyrillic writing on it. In the top left corner it has the word "HOBNHAK." (pronounced: NAH-veen-kuh) This is Russian for "novelty item" or "not real", depending on it's use in a sentence. (And they told me learning Russian would never come in handy! )
This is just an educated guess. You could very well be correct that some people are actually getting DEWAT's in the mail. I will stay as far away from those deals as I can get.
No prison, No problem!
Here is the link to the auction.....
Posted 19 September 2003 - 08:04 PM
Posted 23 September 2003 - 11:45 AM
Hope this helps, and sorry for my bad english.
Posted 23 September 2003 - 12:08 PM
Your English is very good. If what you say is true (and I do not doubt you), then these guns are VERY illegal here! I am glad to know that someone could actually tell us first hand what these guns are.
Posted 23 September 2003 - 09:54 PM
Posted 23 September 2003 - 10:31 PM
mp40: On the subject of modelguns that are "too close" (factory markings, etc.): I have an MGC M76 (S&W copy). Ebay forbids those to be listed, and S&W is adamant about it as well. Now, I agree with you 110%---it's a plastic model! It can't shoot anything! So, how indeed are those illegal dewats from Europe making it in here??? I made up a saying a while ago that I told my kids: "There are slackers in every job description". That may include customs agents. I hope not.
Posted 23 September 2003 - 11:22 PM
Posted 23 September 2003 - 11:25 PM
Posted 24 September 2003 - 07:23 AM
One of my US friends forwarded me a link to your forum, and I think I should add some "insider" information to this discussion.
1) It is true that the original upper receiver of my de-acts. is NOT cut (at least so far), which makes it illegal in your country, and I never hid this fact. However, I won't agree with Eugene that "...to be alive again they just need a new bolt, barrel change, and magazine". The gun contains NO functional parts at all, and to make them alive again, you will have to change ALL parts, except for the wooden ones.
2) When I offered one of my de-acts. at e-bay for the first time, I was kindly informed of the illegality of selling these guns to the US. I cancelled the bid one US buyer made by that time, and posted a "No US buyers" disclaimer at the auction. However, I received a few very insistent requests from the US-based buyers to sell them such a gun, despite all warnings - 10 years in prison, or USD 100,000 fine, or both. I do not know which licences they had, if any, but the de-acts., including TSMGs, were received OK. Some of them (especially the PPSh-41 buyers) claimed they contacted the BATF and warned them of their purchases. This is not bull, just check my e-bay feedback.
3) My e-bay auctions, especially for TSMGs, are not intended for the US. These guns sell nicely all over the world, namely: Japan, UK, Canada. Also I put a very strong disclaimer to warn off the US buyers.
4) I send my de-acts. by regular air-mail. I declare them as de-activated guns. No loopholes or miracles.
I shipped almost 20 de-acts. in the US.
5) It is in my best intention to help collectors all over the world, and currently I am working to find a way for my de-acts. to be legal in the US.
I am open for further communication.
Posted 24 September 2003 - 09:38 AM
Posted 24 September 2003 - 11:35 AM
1200 rpm .22 Thompson....OhhhhAwwww gotta git one!
Posted 24 September 2003 - 12:28 PM
The guy finally let me go and I barely made my connecting flight. I was seriously pissed about it because the only reason I can figure I am on the list is because I follow all the stupid laws required to legally import machinegun parts. I build automatic weapons for law enforcement agencies throughout the US and haven't had ANY trouble with the law since I was cited for underage drinking 15 years ago. I haven't even had a speeding ticked in 10 years! I would hate to think what I would have gone through had I actually been caught doing something I wasn't suppose to.
Posted 24 September 2003 - 12:32 PM
Just for my knowledge, what modifications was made for lower receiver and trigger group that can prevent thompson firing full auto, and allow cocking and releasing of bolt ?
All ukrainian thompsons DEWATS that i know, did't have any modifications other that statet above and small pin (easily removed) preventing barrel change.
Posted 24 September 2003 - 04:38 PM
Took about five years for the feds to bend him over the barrel...
When I first talked to Mike he said it was perfectly legal to take saw cut receivers and weld them back together. I told him I did not see how that was possible...guess I was right all along.
Now, how long before the Thompson receivers, improperly demilled or whatever, gets the new owner in the same spot as Mike?
I forgot how hard it is to trace shipping records from overseas
Posted 26 September 2003 - 03:11 PM