1940 Thompson Handbook Variation
Posted 24 January 2005 - 04:56 PM
Here's a picture:
As you can see, there is a brown paper, pasted on correction to the address for Auto-Ordnance Corporation on the front cover indicating "Bridgeport, Connecticut, U.S.A." on the front cover. Underneath the pasted on correction, from what I can see, is the same printing as the 1936 handbook, stating, "New York, N.Y., U.S.A." and "Cable Address: "Autordco-New York." The inside title page also has the same pasted in address correction, as can be seen in the picture below.
I'm curious if anyone else has ever seen one of these with the pasted on address correction, and whether they might be able to provide photo documentation of their example. I always like to obtain as much documentation as possible on paper items, and that's why I include the scans of my examples.
I know the Bridgeport plant was acquired in August, 1940, and production began in 1941, so I am assuming this handbook with the pasted-over address is a very early example of the 1940 handbook if the address had to be changed.
Just for backup info, I am including links to some of the other 1940 catalogs I have had in stock over the years. I currently have 5 in stock, and I have not scanned them all in, but the following additional 15 scans should provide some documentary evidence of the 1940 catalog in general.
Here are some "First" editions, covering the Model of 1928:
Here are some "Second" editions, with the overstamped "Model M1" on the cover, and the same brown colored paper cover as the first edition.
Here are some "Third" editions, with the slightly orange-tinted cover:
Please post if you have any information regarding the pasted-over address correction example of the 1940 handbook.
Thanks in advance!
Posted 24 January 2005 - 06:09 PM
Yes, you have an early version of the 1940 catalogue. Here is what it would look like without the pasted-on Bridgeport, CT address. Note the New York, N.Y. address. The inside front page also has the New York address. I haven't seen one with a pasted-on address correction. I would say that's a keeper!
Posted 24 January 2005 - 06:23 PM
Very cool! Thanks for the picture. It looks like we have documented 5 different versions of the 1940 handbook, or 4 major versions with one altered variation. (the pasted on Bridgeport address)
Posted 24 January 2005 - 06:41 PM
So logically.....the NY, NY is the first edition; then they make the move to Bridgeport and use a stick on address change until the old stock is used up (2nd edition); then the 3rd edition has the Bridgeport address properly printed; followed by the more common Model of 1928/ Model M1 versions.
Posted 24 January 2005 - 06:43 PM
That will give some something to do while attempting to collect all the different models of the Kahr drums.
Good information and something to look for!
Posted 24 January 2005 - 08:33 PM
dalbert and gijive - I have never seen either one of the two versions of the Edition of 1940 Handbook you both have posted. I don't think either version has ever been published in a reference book. If so, would you let me know in what publication. gijive, how many of what appears to be the "first" version of this handbook have you seen/owned?
There may be one more version - one with a blue cover. Jim Bannan was a frequent exhibitor at the Houston AstroHall Gun Show in the late 80’s and early 90’s. As you can imagine, he had a lot of Thompson artifacts. One Handbook he had on display was an Edition of 1940 Handbook with a blue cover. I cannot remember if it was a Model of 1928 or a Model of 1928/Model M1 edition, but I do remember the blue cover because I have been looking for one like it ever since. It seems I have seen the blue cover edition referenced somewhere or perhaps pictured somewhere, but I cannot locate the source at the moment. Has anyone else seen an Edition of 1940 Handbook with a blue cover.
This is one great post. gijive, any chance you would want to sell your "first" edition. Thanks everyone.
Posted 24 January 2005 - 08:50 PM
I don't believe either of the first editions that we have documented here have appeared in any publication.
As far as the blue 1940 handbook is concerned, I have a reprint that has a blue cover. I'm not sure if any genuine examples exist with a blue cover. The one I have has some moisture damage, and is very obviously 2nd generation, and I'm pretty certain it's a reproduction. Here is a picture:
I have seen a picture of another blue covered handbook, but I was not able to determine if it was genuine.
Thanks for your input!
Posted 24 January 2005 - 09:26 PM
I don't like to go by memory, but it seems like a blue colored cover may have been associated with a handbook printed in a foreign language. I could be wrong. As you can see, I like to document with pictures, and I do not have a picture of the foreign blue colored handbook that I seem to recall.
Posted 24 January 2005 - 09:31 PM
sigh now I need another 4 versions for a complete collection!
Posted 24 January 2005 - 10:59 PM
The blue cover edition you posted is very similar to the one I saw that belonged to Jim Bannan. I can't say for sure that Jim's handbook was not a reproduction. However, nothing at the time made me suspect it was a reproduction. I recall speaking to Jim about all his manuals and he never stated any of them were reproductions. I bet someone will have the answer to this riddle. If you haven't spoken to Tracie about the 1936 Catalog issues, this may be another area to inquire about.
Posted 25 January 2005 - 12:16 AM
Edited by Bob B, 25 January 2005 - 12:26 AM.
Posted 25 January 2005 - 07:48 AM
|QUOTE (TD. @ Jan 24 2005, 08:33 PM)|
|gijive, how many of what appears to be the "first" version of this handbook have you seen/owned? |
This is one great post. gijive, any chance you would want to sell your "first" edition. Thanks everyone
Actually, I haven't personally seen any other versions of the book with a New York address. I didn't mean to mislead, I just meant I hadn't seen any others with a pasted-on Bridgeport, CT address. I have only seen the version with the printed Bridgeport address.
I appreciate your interest in purchasing the handbook I have, but I think I'll keep it. If I ever decide to part with it, I'll notify the members of this Board first.
It's interesting to see the various editions of this handbook that were published. I find the version that Dave pictured, with modified address, a particularly interesting specimen.
Posted 25 January 2005 - 08:21 PM
Bob B - I agree completely that the blue cover Handbook posted by Dave is a reproduction...and a poor one at that. The Handbook with a blue cover Jim Bannan had looked pretty good to me.
Question to all: Does anyone have (or have possibly seen) one of the reproduction blue cover Edition of 1940 Handbooks like Dave has posted? I have never seen this reproduction in the market place.
Posted 26 January 2005 - 07:23 PM
Note the new address sticker at the bottom of the cover page. The address on the back is also covered.
Just for comparison, here is the original WH Thompson manual I received with my WH M1 NIB in 1988.
Posted 27 January 2005 - 03:03 PM
I have one of the blue cover copies. It looks appropriately worn to be original and has the correct green insert pages. However, it is definitely a reprint since the pictures have all of the charateristics of copied images. I am comparing it to an original tan cover 1940 28/M1 manual, and the pictures in the original are much sharper, with much more detail and do not exhibit the telltale image fringe of a a cut-and-paste.
Posted 27 January 2005 - 06:37 PM
The blue handbook I have pictured in a previous post that is a reprint has the green pages also. (very bright green pages) It has the copied image characteristics. Yours may be from the same batch of reprints that mine came from.
Posted 27 January 2005 - 07:23 PM
Speaking of reprints, does anyone have one of the miniature Edition of 1940 Handbooks (Model of 1928)? It measures approximately 2" x 31/2". I have only seen a few of these over the years.
Posted 29 January 2005 - 10:05 PM
Maybe some folks haven't seen this reference, so I hope it will provide some good reading material and history.
By the way, if anyone on this board is ever looking for a particular military firearm manual or rare firearm book, please e-mail me. I have over 500 in stock currently.
Posted 10 February 2005 - 10:17 PM
Here is a picture of the latest blue repro I acquired:
Thanks in advance!