Wolf Steel Cased...
Posted 27 January 2005 - 08:18 PM
Posted 27 January 2005 - 08:37 PM
I have fired over 1,000 rounds and it really shoots great. Stinky and dirty, but shoots great.
Posted 27 January 2005 - 08:45 PM
Right, wrong or whatever ... I shoot it in my AO and have never had an issue. Distinctive stink and a bit dirty but cheap and in 2 years, the "brass" has rotted away. I normally shoot my re-loads but have 250 rds. of Wolf on the shelf just in case.
Posted 27 January 2005 - 09:01 PM
I've shot over 6K of Wolf in my 28 with only one problem.....broke the tip off an ejector. Not sure if it was due to the steel casings but could be. Extractors are cheap and I have a handful. It is dirty but the new polymer coated stuff doesn't gum up your chamber like the old stuff did.
Tracie said he'd seen a couple barrels ringed by it and wouldn't allow it at last years shoot but I haven't persona;;y had that problem.
Posted 27 January 2005 - 09:07 PM
Posted 27 January 2005 - 09:22 PM
Most I have spoken with feel its really tough on Thompson's. I lost an extractor at about 450 rounds.
Others seem to feel its ok in .223.
Wolf burns a lot cleaner, and a lot less carbon than Winchester. You can't beat the price of the steel case stuff, plus you save a lot of time not hunting your brass.
Who knows, perhaps its Russia's plan to disarm Americans, by destroying the guns. Taking over the US without firing a shot.
For my guns its either brass, or nickel plated.
Posted 27 January 2005 - 11:39 PM
"For semi use, I won't argue with Wolf, other than the steel case being hard on the system. "
Why? What does a steel case do that brass doesn't?
"Tracie said he'd seen a couple barrels ringed by it and wouldn't allow it at last years shoot but I haven't persona;;y had that problem."
What caused this?
"Most I have spoken with feel its really tough on Thompson's."
Do people know this from experience or just passing on the unverified gossip.
"A 'kaboom" on the receiver from out-of-spec round, or trashed barrel from a squib in full auto is too expensive."
I haven't put that much thru my bastid TSMG, but I have put thousands of rounds thru my little 380 with no problems.... I have put maybe 500 thru a friends TSMG with no problems.... I think the quality control is on par with any USofA mass produced ammo... Have people had problems, first hand, with squib loads? I assume there are not problems with exploding guns as the case size, with the powder used, is not enuff to blow something up even if it was a double charge... jmho's
Posted 28 January 2005 - 12:52 AM
I've had no problems with it damaging the guns or running well. It seems to be more reliable than the US made WWII stuff. It is dirty as others noted and the indoor range we use at times won't let us use it because of the contamination of the brass scrap. (its too hard to use a magnet to remove the steel cases) As to whether you should use it in your transferables???? thats up to you. If there is any question in my mind as to ammo causing damage to my expensive toys I will pay a bit more to get ammo of known quality. Stuff I know is junk I won't run even in the post samples. I like the wolf and use the 9mm and .45 in my transferables too.
Hope that helps
Posted 28 January 2005 - 01:11 AM
the 223 jams in my Robinson arms guns - I have both the standard 96 and a bren conversion. It will take a while for the 96 to jab, but the top feed bren wont even feed more than 3 -5 rounds before it jams. For a while I thought it was the gun as I had purchsed several thousand rounds - switched to other ammo and jams.
I have never had any problem with any other ammo.
I will not use it in an expensive gun or for that matter any thompson...
Posted 28 January 2005 - 07:54 AM
As for ranges moaning about the steel case being mixed in with the brass?!? Tell them the one about the gift horse.
Posted 28 January 2005 - 09:15 AM
If I were given a case of the stuff (as apparently you have Chris), I would shoot it up in field scenarios where I couldn’t easily recover good brass cases.
Posted 28 January 2005 - 10:16 AM
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Posted 28 January 2005 - 09:14 PM
Actually what I stated came from here (the Board) as well as from local shooters.
Being a long term reloader, looking at the spent cases will also tell a story.
If you look at a newly fired brass case you will notice that it is fairly well beat up, the steel cases do not reveal the damage. So the torment goes to the next weakest link in the chain. Weather that be the extractor, bolt or what ever piece is slightly weakened.
IMO, I do not feel the trade off is worth it to save a few pennies on the firing line. Especially if one is dropping those cheap loads down the bbl of a Colt or Savage made Thompson.
On the other hand if money is no object, and one can afford to drop a few Thompson's into the dumpster, eh why not save a little on ammo.
Just my .02, to each their own.
Posted 28 January 2005 - 10:37 PM
These can be microscopic imperfections but they will increase the frictional coefficient..And due to the lack of elasticity inherent in the steel cartridge casings(compared to the brass casings) the case(s) "stick" in the chamber causing the extractor undue stress effectively decreasing extractor life.
The Germans and later on, the Russians experimented with coatings to combat this "problem"
Posted 29 January 2005 - 12:18 AM
Save a few pennies?...$175-$200 per 1,000. Or $112 per 1,000.
Savings over 5000 rounds...over $300. I can buy a LOT of extractors for that.
Reloading is a hobby, not a way to save money.
I'm in it for the blasting.
Posted 29 January 2005 - 09:45 AM