Wh Drums And Where To Buy...
Posted 04 February 2005 - 07:21 PM
Posted 04 February 2005 - 11:30 PM
The add says "built on original tooling".
Posted 05 February 2005 - 01:43 AM
|QUOTE (PhilOhio @ Feb 4 2005, 11:33 PM)|
I'm not going to make the P. T. Barnum comment because, thanks to Z3's research, I now know P. T. didn't make it either. And it doesn't really apply. Many of us could have just as easily made the same mistake, or one much like it.
Dood!! Going for the guilt trip? I didn't mean to ruin your "go to" posting material.... LOL Just tryin to get the truth out is all......
Posted 05 February 2005 - 02:06 AM
Posted 05 February 2005 - 07:37 AM
Thanks guys, for the tip on the WH drum.
Posted 05 February 2005 - 08:45 AM
Posted 05 February 2005 - 10:03 AM
Posted 05 February 2005 - 10:14 AM
A number of folks at Numrich informed me that these are indeed, NOS West Hurley Drums, and are NOT current production...
Posted 05 February 2005 - 04:06 PM
Posted 06 February 2005 - 11:08 AM
I sent it back, without messing with it, since the feed slot problem, as well as the location of the rails would not have allowed it to work.
I measured it against a WH C that was worked over by Merle, and a Bridgeport L, and it was nowhere close.
It was marked LEO, and supposed to be WH prior to Kahr, but if I were guessing, it looked like Kahr junk.
Posted 06 February 2005 - 12:13 PM
The information obtained from Numrich did state that their Drums were LEO Marked, thus manufactured after September 13Th, 1994 up through 1999. It would stand to reason that they probably are most likely WH Drums. I'm sure WH had produced a significant number prior to Kahr's buy out, thus the unlikely possibility they were stocking LEO Kahr "L" Drums from 2000 to 2004.
Posted 07 February 2005 - 08:30 AM
If you could combine the best properties of the WH and current Kahr, you might have a pretty good drum, but neither of them is up to snuff. Still, the Kahr is easier to fix than the WH, even Merle admits that.
I am not defending Kahr, no more than I would have NAC when they were making the WH drums, but lets not get carried away and so easily forget the past either- junk is still junk, even if it has “patina”
Posted 07 February 2005 - 04:06 PM
Posted 07 February 2005 - 08:34 PM
They feed on the entry market who first want a thompson, and purchase a Kahr 27 semi, not knowing the gun is as far from a thompson as one can get.
The new owner wants to impress his friends with his purchase of a "Real Thompson" and wants a drum only to discover they cost money, in some cases more than he paid for his "Real Thompson" - Shock
- then he finds he can get a drum from Kahr for less than $300.00 and off goes the money only to discover it is crap.
In most cases the new owner has nothing to compare it with, and it won't make much difference the gun won't shoot anyway. Don't tell the friends, just hang it on the gun and no one will ever know.
Kahr made their money and most of the drums will not make it back to Kahr.
How many time have we heard "I know its a Kahr, but its cheaper that a GI drum" Cons only work if the buyer is looking for a good deal. Kahr feels your pain - they just can't reach you!!
Posted 08 February 2005 - 11:18 PM
You hit the nail square on that topic. Craftsmanship is a difficult issue. Forget it when it comes to mass production. At least by today's standards.
I also need to agree with PK,
Prior to the talk of the ban sunset, AO drums were junk and a waste of $$, and if one owned one it almost was certain to need a trip too Merle. Back then the only drums to get were, and still are the Bridgeport's, Worcester and the like. The B's & W's "Still" command a stiff $$. But they are tried and true. The old drums are as much a classic as the Colt and Savage made Thompson's.
I wonder if when they were first released if they had operational problems, and the ones that are surviving today are the Dr'd ones of the 20's and 30's......
If products were made today with the time and union wages, cost of materials, and the quality of the past only but a few could afford them.
Believe me, I am far from defending Kahr, or anyone else.
I get really fed-up with shoddy workmanship, and high prices that seems to go with the product.
Imagine the thrill of having a mean pitbull on a steal lead, and the lead comes apart. Ah, quality in the new age of technology.
It ain't no fun!
Posted 09 February 2005 - 11:19 PM