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[Walter63a]

They also have what they claim to be an original spare parts box/kit (w/contents). There are three older L-type drums (original Colt, Worcester, and Seymour) and a 1928 WH (1980 mfg).

http://www.jcdevine....on/class3_1.htm

http://www.jcdevine....on/class3_2.htm

[Walter63a]

What are these worth? Everyone jump in with your comments!

The spare parts box

#114

Close-up

[Walter63a]

QUOTE (PhilOhio @ Apr 28 2005, 11:56 PM)

The gun looks pretty nice. Then I see that closeup of the left side of the grip frame, with all the deep pocking on the surface. It looks like it has been through the mill. In no way does this wear pattern match the wear pattern of the receiver. Do any of you know of some innocent way this could have happened, without the thing being some sort of bastardized parts gun? Everything I have ever learned tells me that dramatically different wear patters on parts of the same gun usually spells ripoff. And when the thing is offered by that paragon of virtue Uncle Joe...red flags everywhere. The wood looks nice, and the fins appear right, although I am not the Colt expert. Arthur, help us out. John Jr., could this be the Colt of your dreams, worth mortgaging the house? Might a $27,000 winning Joe Devine auction bidder be getting himself kahr'd in several orifices simultaneously, or would he snag a thing of beauty to treasure forever? Is this the one to grab at all costs? Or would the winning bidder actually need that parts box to store the suppositories necessary for treating the after effects of having been kahr'd strenuously?

Phil, I feel the same way. Why so much apparent wear on the lower (grip frame)? Except for that, is seems like a decent gun. Where is Arthur? I need a verdict on this one. And what about the spare parts box?

Regards, Walter

[Arthur Fliegenheimer]

According to the development date of the 2nd pattern Cutts, this particular Colt TSMG spent at least 10 years with the W.S. Brown Company before being sold to the Aliqippa, PA PD who decided to send it back to Auto-Ord for the fitting of the new barrel and 2nd pattern Cutts. The witness mark appears pretty high off alignment but this may be due to those TSMG's that were subsequently sold and then sent back for the new components as opposed to those that were brand new and never converted and shipped until after they were originally sold. Or, this 1921 was indeed converted to an AC with a first pattern Cutts, and then somewhere down the road, had the 2nd pattern Cutts and the appropriate Colt barrel fitted. Who can say?

This example appears to be in very nice outward condition especially for a three digit Colt TSMG that sold before production of the 15,000 units were even completed. The wood seems remarkably free of character marks. It almost belies the rest of the weapon. Of course the PD, or Cox, or a subsequent owner could have swapped out the wood from a later model in their collection to enhance the appearance of such a low serial number Colt.

If a collector were looking for a Colt TSMG that hit the streets early and survived in decent condition, judging by the pics, then Devine or no Devine, they are the only game in town that has advertised anything remotely close to an under three digit piece.

[gijive]

PhilOhio,

I really don't think that is "pocking" on the left side of the grip frame. There are a few scractches and dings, as would be expected. It looks more to me like congealed oil and grease with dust or fibers from a gun safe adhering to it. I get fibers from the carpet lining my gun safe adhering to the oiled surfaces of guns all the time.

Walter,

I'm sure everyone appreciates your copying the images from the Devine website, but it would be helpful if you could learn to resize the pictures before posting them on this site. The oversized pictures make it annoying to try and read the posts. Any rudimentary image software program, such as the one inherent in Windows, will allow you to resize the image to a more pleasing size.

The parts box looks right to me. It has the correct nickel hammer pin and firing pin. Not sure what the other pin is near the hammer pin. Looks like it might be a compensator pin that was removed, hence the flattened end. That would make sense since it appears, as Arthur pointed out, that the barrel has obviously been replaced at some point since the witness marks don't line up.

Looks like a pretty nice gun, I'd take a close look at the barrel, though.

[Walter63a]

Just a reminder that the J.C. Devine auction date is approaching, May 15th.
Is any one going to try for the spare parts kit (box w/contents), or Colt #114?

Regards, Walter

[full auto 45]

PO
Would you trust the "devine" word of old Joe Devine?

"TRUST ME"

[John Jr]

THE ORIGINAL MR."FUCK YOU VERY MUCH."

Sorry, had to say it.

[Lancer]

QUOTE (PhilOhio @ May 12 2005, 08:42 AM)

That's such a great picture that I've been trying to think of some honorary title the gentleman could be given,

Phil,
I'm kinda partial to "The Sultan of Greed".

[Sgt]

Jr--
This is not meant to encourage you, but I choked on my coffee with that one!

[GonePostal]

Devine and Pennywise, separated at birth or does Devine stalk the sewers of Derry in search of new prey?

[Walter63a]

I did not mean to promote Mr.F@#k you very much, Mr. It, or whatever one may 'affectionately' think of him; I only hoped that some board menbers would have a chance to pick up some decent Thompson heaters and equipment, even though we all know the proprietor is a genuine piece of very special work indeed.

Best to all, Walter