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#1 andreabert

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Posted 21 May 2005 - 06:39 PM


Hi Guys
im Andrew , im 26 y/o and a write from italy, so in first im sorry for my english..i know that is very bad.

i have look on the net many website that cencern thompson but i cant be good to identify my thonpson gun.
so now i want to ask to you some think , and hope u can help me to recognize my gun.
i think is a m1 model, maybe a savage model , but there r some think i cant explain.
in first the back sight. in every pics i see on the net the back sight have 2..mmm.. how can i explane.. 2 little wings to protect the sight and the adjustable slide..
mine dont have this kind of sight.
u can see in the pics , (please follow the link below..im not good to post a link direcly to my pic, and at that link u can find all my tommygun pics),that mine sight is a normal sight .
it marked "lyman", near the thompson logo, on the receiver (see pic).

oh, on the pic u can see at the end of the barrel a compensator..
i dont know why this compensator be there. and i dont know if is normal for this model...
the shop man explain me that the italian govern when had list the gun , had put it , so all thompson arrived in italy have this compensator


the other mine problem is about the year of production of this model, and the many marks put on the receiver and on the wood.
the registration number is 3052**. can u date it whit this numer??
than , i have sent u many pics with a mark i found on the gun.
can u tell me, if u can, what they mean??

i think is all.
i hope in your help to satisfy all my doubt
many thank
regards
andrew bertelli








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#2 leid

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Posted 21 May 2005 - 07:53 PM

Hi Andrew,
Your English is much better than my German or Spanish, so "no se preocuppe".

You have an M1 Thompson made by Auto Ordnance (AOC), not Savage (S).
The AAQ means your Thompson was rebuilt at U.S. Arsenal at Augusta, Georgia by
inspector "Q".
G.H.D. is the U.S. Military acceptance stamp of Guy H. Drewery, who was an Army
Inspector of Ordnance for the Springfield Ordnance District.
The "Flaming Bomb" is the early U.S. Ordnance proof mark.
You have the early Lyman M1 sight without the protective ears.
The compensator on the end of the barrel looks like the type used on the Reising
submachine gun.

I will let some of the more qualified guys tell you about the age of your Thompson. Purchase the books "American Thunder" and "American Thunder II" for all the info you need on U.S. Military thompsons.
Good luck,
Carey
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#3 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 21 May 2005 - 09:14 PM

Ciao andrew,

Just to add to leid's comments, your receiver is indeed Auto Ordnance (AOC) manufacture, but your frame is Savage. No doubt the different parts were assembled during the rebuilds. The #805299 (if that is the actual serial number) is very high for an AOC M1A1 (never mind an M1) and with the unprotected "L" Lyman sight. The Reising comp on your M1 TSMG definitely enhances the visceral appeal.

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#4 andreabert

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 06:42 AM

thank u for reply, Arthur and Leid..

there are some think i dont undenstand cause my bad english
how can u know that the frame is Savage? what is the different between a Savage and Auto ord.?
the pic i post for the serial number is bad .. the correct number is not #805299, but #305299.
can i find online a website where i can date all the parts of my gun? for example, ...the lyman sight was used on thommy m1 made between yeas 1940 to 1945, instead, the sight with protective ears was used only on thommy ,m1a1 made between years 1945 to 1947... etc... or something like that..
or this info are only on the books described by Leid??

last thing..what is a m1 TSMG??
many thanks for your help guys
ciao
andrew

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#5 andreabert

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 06:51 AM

another things guys...
is possible to put the breechblock in open position without the magazine??
when the mag is inlaid, if i pull the bolt handle , this remain opened.
whitout mag no.
i think that the bolt have this function..but i dont be able to do ...
ciao
andy
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#6 andreabert

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 08:43 AM

uh guys , just another thing...
i have tried to disassembly the gun.. i feel the manual at this website
http://www.auto-ordn...anual082603.pdf
but my model is different by the model used in that pics.. so i cant disassembly the frame by the receiver...
how can i have to do??
hi from italy
andy
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#7 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 10:31 AM

andy,
Savage frames have "FULL AUTO" on two lines while AOC frames have it on one line. OK, if your serial number is 305299 then your M1 was made around November/December of 1942. Since the TSMG fires from an open bolt, you should be able to pull the bolt back without a mag present for it to stay open.

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#8 andreabert

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 10:50 AM

i have a big problem
i had fired only 12 ammo and then the tommy are broke.
i cant unlock the hammer pulling the trigger.
i think one of internal spring block all.
so, if the hammer is locked , i cant separe the frame by the receiver....
i think i have to came back to shop... :-(

the black button place on the back or the receiver, what is??

there is a mode to unlock the hammer manually?
bye
andy (sad)
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