Removing Broken Extractor
Posted 31 May 2005 - 09:29 PM
But the real question is...... WTH Did it take you ten broken guns before you stopped using it?
Posted 31 May 2005 - 09:44 PM
The semi's have much stronger springs, and slam things about a little rougher.
2 of the breaks occurred directly in front of the indexing/retaining oval, and one right behind it. The metal is thicker at these locations, and perhaps more brittle due to hardening the "claw" that pulls the empties from the chamber.
Has anyone ever done a hardness test on Wolf Steel vs. Brass cases?
Just a guess, I tend to really over analyze these things sometimes.
Posted 31 May 2005 - 09:53 PM
I ask that exact question on the last round of Wolf Talk, and got takin to task by a certain board member....
Posted 01 June 2005 - 09:21 AM
Posted 19 September 2005 - 01:26 AM
I used some yesterday for the first time, and I will never use this stuff in my Thompson!
I was looking at purchasing an M11/9 SMG from a man here in town. I met him at the range and looked at the gun. I inspected the gun first and it looked good; barely used. I talked about a price with him and agreed that if the gun tested ok, I would buy it.
He had two or three magazines full of 9mm copper ball ammo. The first magazine was Winchester ammo and the gun shot fine. He had a 55 round magazine that I wanted to test, also. The ammo looked different in it, and I asked him about it. He said it was Wolf ammo that he usually shoots in his Vector Uzi.
I loaded the magazine, took aim, and pulled the trigger. The gun fired about twenty-five shots before it jammed, making a very loud CLANK noise. I droped the magazine from the gun and checked to make sure the gun was empty. As I was setting the gun down, I noticed that the sight plate had BROKEN OFF OF THE GUN! I was lucky that I wasn't hurt.
Needless to say, the man selling the gun was not too happy. Neither was I; I was ready to buy.
I do know that the wolf ammo cylced so hard, it hurt to shoot it.
After that, I told myself "No Wolf ammo in my Thompson!"
Posted 20 September 2005 - 10:14 AM
As to the type of extractors, most likely they were not GI issue, they were obtained from Numrich and Kahr. I looked at some at a show but the guy was asking $19.95 ea. so I passed on them.
I still have a few hundred rounds of Wolf left that I'll put through the Kimber and Colt. They seem to have no problems with it. From there is back to brass 100% and reloading.
Last time at the range I fired 200 rounds of brass without a hitch.
Posted 20 September 2005 - 06:19 PM
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Posted 22 September 2005 - 11:17 AM
Just a bit to add...
"And we don't need your long, insulting, acid arguments about why this is not so and why anybody who disagrees with you is a moron, and with extracted clips from other peoples' previous postings and your embellished analyses to prove whatever irrelevant point you are trying to make about how wrong everybody else is."
Find me one just one "long" insulting argument... This is really funny coming from you the king of word count. Have you ever posted a short post? I really would like you to pull these up and show them to me because honestly I'm in the dark here... Just asking for a little help.
Posted 24 September 2005 - 12:05 PM
20,000 rounds of brass cased lead bullet reloads thru my
Colt :21A over the last 20 years (using a '28 bolt and extractor from Sarco) with no extractor problems ar any others, for that matter. I suspect that steel cased ammo is the culprit in most cases. Spend a little more and use brass.
Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:30 PM
Yet! I hope I don't.
OT: however on the 1911 boards there was some chatter of Win White Box with over charges, possible squib load. To the point where Winchester paid to repair or replace parts on a Kimber 1911 after the barrel blew.
Personally I feel it is just the steel case. Never had any problems with the case coatings, just extractors.
Like I mentioned earlier, it may simply be due to the force that the semi 27 slams home. Lets face it, that is a lot of spring action needed to jump over the edge of the case.
The main spring on the FA are not as heavy, that in my mind would have a slightly reduced energy on closing and impact.
AO (Trast), and Kahr were and are still using extractors that were designed for use in FA firearms.
I guess there are 3 really good answers here:
1) Buy a FA.
2) Use brass cases.
3) Or design a bolt, and pivoting extractor.