Removeable Stocks In Mi
Posted 22 August 2005 - 11:31 AM
Posted 22 August 2005 - 05:21 PM
Thanks for the report. Unfortunate as it may be, I believe your Board has properly interpreted the law. You're now the proud owner of a Thompson pistol in the eyes of the Michigan legislature.
Posted 23 August 2005 - 12:04 AM
|QUOTE (M1Brian @ Aug 22 2005, 11:31 AM)|
|county gun baord (?)|
Brian, I also live in Oakland County Mi. I would like contact info for the 'county gun board'. I have a few questions I would like to fly by them.
Also, I thought 26" was the minimum measurement. 26+ inches and still operational (with a 16" barrel) was leagal for a rifle in MI and requiered no special permits. It is when you go under this limit and/or have a barrel of less than 16" you fall inot the SBR catagory and a requiered by law to register it like (not as) a pistol because it is an SBR. Also, as stated in the earlier thread you can not have an SBR in Mi unless it is a curio and relics classified weapon.
To top all of this off, if it is registered AS a pistol you can not put a stock on it per federal law, the few exceptions, among others, are artillery Lugers with matching number original stocks and 96 Mausers with original stocks.
I am at work now and do not have the state laws available to me right now. I work for the Fed Gov and we have nothing to do with laws
Posted 23 August 2005 - 02:13 PM
Hope that makes some sense, TC
Posted 23 August 2005 - 02:42 PM
Pathfinder, the oakland county gun board is in the county building at square lake rd and telegraph where you go for you concealed pistols liscense. The last number I had for them was (248) 858-0573 hope that helps.
Posted 30 August 2005 - 06:50 AM
Oh well, one does their best to live by the law of the land. I'm glad it went smoothly for you Brian.
FWIW, A Thompson without the buttstock and compensator is more than 26" in length, and only an inch or two shy of Michigan's 30" requirement to avoid being called a pistol.
Edited by 'zoo, 30 August 2005 - 06:55 AM.
Posted 30 August 2005 - 08:50 AM
Posted 30 August 2005 - 09:26 AM
I prefer the Full Auto/Semi far above Bolt Hold Open.
I'm still in need of the Lyman ladder site and the frame mod. to lower the profile.
Posted 26 September 2005 - 09:34 PM
Maybe have a C&R kit made up into a semi? But then the receiver would be considered the "firearm" and therefore a "new" firearm I guess. Sheesh, and I'm a lawyer--this is confusing.
Posted 27 September 2005 - 07:25 AM
I'm far from Michigan. I recently took delivery of a replica Russian AK-74-S-N (AK-74, folding Stock, rail installed suitable for Night vison equipment), built on a new Bulgarian parts set. It had to go through my local dealer since it crossed state lines and in the eyes of the law, it's a new firearm.
The builder did a beautiful job of replicating all of the Russian markings, including those for fire control. He added the full auto notch as well, but the internals are the required US made semi-auto parts. A sharp-eyed clerk at my local gun store saw the extra notch and markings (in Cyrillic!) and was pretty sure that he was holding an illegal machine gun. The owner, who is also a class III dealer, calmed him down a bit, and the gun was transferred to me on a yellow form later that day. I'm glad the owner had not taken the day off!
I'm sure that you guys with "auto" markings on your SBRs have to explain those evey time someone else handles the gun!
Posted 27 September 2005 - 09:52 PM
|I'm sure that you guys with "auto" markings on your SBRs have to explain those evey time someone else handles the gun! |
Not to rehash my old story, but when that cold 357 Python's barrel was to my temple by my friendly local ATF agent, I was sure as hell glad my Westy said "Semi-Automatic Carbine" on the side...
With that in mind, I opted for PK to stamp "Lock/ Unlock" for my selector.
Although I was tempted to go for one of his suggestions: "Mutt and Jeff"
Posted 27 September 2005 - 10:40 PM
I'm guessing that I am out of luck and would need to stick with the 16" Kahr barrel. Hmm...
Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:41 PM
Posted 01 October 2005 - 02:06 AM
Posted 05 October 2005 - 04:19 PM
The C+R list is open to additions. A specific weapon (not type, just the one individual) may be added to the list at the BATF's discretion.
I've heard of people in MI doing the following, but haven't tried it myself...
That long barreled rifle, after it is added to the C+R list, may be converted to the short barrel configuration with BATF approval. It is then, instantly, a C+R short barreled rifle, and legal to own in Michigan by a C+R Holder.
(The thing that concerns me is that the state does prohibit the manufacture of all short barreled rifles in its borders, but fails to define "manufacture". But I could be overly cynical about the whole thing anyway...)
A friend of mine also lives in Oakland County. He has gone the C+R short barrel route, then registered the weapon as a pistol after finding out about the 30" quirk. He had no problems at all during the process.
Food for thought.