Posted 24 August 2005 - 01:31 AM
Like wise, which .45acp ammo do you think is the cleanest burning?
Any other thoughts on ammo that you would care to commment on? Does your Thompson operate better with any certain brand?
Thanks in advance, Brent.
Posted 24 August 2005 - 08:04 AM
I've used Wolf and Winchester and MagTech and a couple of others. DO NOT USE American Ammo brand. It is very inconsistant and will jam every time in FA. Some rounds were so weak they wouldn't cycle the round. S&B is semi clean. Winchester has the WINCLEN stuff, but it jams in my Thompson's. Wolf is pretty dirty stuff.
Posted 25 August 2005 - 12:47 PM
I used some Federal American Eagle recently. It was also reliable, but noticeably dirtier than S&B. I have used a small amount of Winchester (white box) in the past, and also felt it was rather dirty.
Look closely if you are purchasing Winchester white box. The recent stuff is actually being made in the Czech Republic, not the USA. The box is smaller, the exact same size as the S&B (also Czech). Anyone want to guess who is making the ammo for Winchester?? Assuming my guess is correct, I do not know whether the new Winchester is being made the same as the S&B or to different specs.
Posted 26 August 2005 - 10:59 AM
CAn you elucidate on the Carters product you put in your comp and how you apply it?
Posted 26 August 2005 - 12:21 PM
This was brought up along with several other products in posts earlier this year about cleaning comps. It is Carter's Comp Spray, and is a clear liquid that you pump spray into your comp BEFORE shooting. I typically use 2-3 pumps through the slots on the top of the comp and then 1 pump in the front opening. Then tilt the barrel down and let any excess run out. Repeat this process every couple hundred rounds (CYA).
I have bought Carter's through Dillon Precision in the past, but I don't see it on their web site right now. I suggest you call them or perhaps someone else on the board knows a source.
Posted 27 August 2005 - 04:46 PM
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Posted 31 August 2005 - 09:31 AM
I swapped bolts during one session at the range, and when I cleaned the gun after I forgot the bolt I took out earlier. It was surface corroded and pitted badly after a few months when I found it again.
Nothing else happened badly as a result of using this stuff, as long as you clean up diligently!
I have bought spam cans of it (600 rounds) for $75 to $80 at shows. That is as low as $6.25 / box of 50. Unbeatable price, The lowest I paid for commercial ammo was $100 for 500 rounds of Winchester (and had 4 rounds not fire when struck).
Posted 31 August 2005 - 11:16 AM
Didn't find it at Dillon or on the net- maybe they don't make it anymore-sad for me.
Posted 31 August 2005 - 12:35 PM
Posted 31 August 2005 - 02:36 PM
MIG welding spray has worked well, but I have often wondered if PAM cooking spray might be effective; keeps the grilled cheese from sticking.
Federal American Eagle has been good to me.
Nothing more reliable than the potassium chlorate primers in that spam can ammo. What was that about “salt of the earth”?
Posted 31 August 2005 - 06:30 PM
Regarding the really nasty WWII ammo, the most that I ever fired in one day was a single can of 600 rounds. This was done using the WH M1 just back from PK's excellent care. It didn't miss a beat. The last XXX magazine fired as well as the first even though the grime was really caked on. It was almost as though the dirt was acting as a lube in its own right!
I detail stripped and cleaned the gun on two successive days and again a month later. There is no hint of corrosion.
This gun, while NIB when I got it, would not fire three rounds in a row when it went to PK. Now, it's just amazing. I wish I had more TSMGs to send his way!
Posted 31 August 2005 - 06:56 PM
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Posted 01 September 2005 - 06:29 AM
I agree 100%, casting GREATLY reduces the overall cost. Its been a long time since I've plugged in the lead pot.
I had major problems with the sprue plates after a few hundred rounds.
I eventually gave up. I've never cast for the .45, but in .357 and .44 it worked very well. I also used gas checks with the castings.
I load with Win 231 a little dirty, but I always had good results down range.
Posted 01 September 2005 - 08:25 AM
I have used S&B in the past, but have experienced slow burning powder making cycling in short barreled MG's unreliable. But it is fairly clean.
Lately, I have been using IMI in most of my guns. .45 as well as .223 and .308. Reliable, consistent and clean.
Thanks for the comments on the surplus stuff. I picked up a bunch of Spanish ammo (I think) in a deal a year or so ago. Haven't fired any of it yet, but figured it was corrosive. Any experiences?
Posted 01 September 2005 - 10:19 AM
I guess I better come down to earth after that statement. I have been nailed in the past by 3 rds. of S&B brass ejecting out of my Thompson & hitting my right len on my glasses. This was 3 different times, not in a row. Anybody have this happen before with any brand of ammo?
This thread is sure fun!
Posted 01 September 2005 - 10:53 AM
|QUOTE (PhilOhio @ Aug 31 2005, 08:39 PM)|
600 rounds in a day would be a good test. The black stuff may indeed work like a lubricant, as with the softer deposits of which I have found that to be true.
You could well be right; these deposits seem to have more of a waxy rather than a gritty feel. We fired this ammunition in a very short period of time, as I had three shooters who had never fired any SMG before. I remember thinking at the time what a good test of the gun and ammunition this was, as the gun got very hot and was not wiped down or otherwise maintained during firing.
I seem to remember that potassium chlorate was used in most, if not all, US WWII small arms primers, except for M1 carbine ammunition, and that shelf life is excellent. I hope that the primers in this ammo are not overly touchy as I take no special precautions when storing, handling, and transporting it!
I am more partial to US ammo from the 50s and 60s as it seems to be generally cleaner all around than the wartime stuff.
Our local humidity is generally low, but I clean any weapon fired with WWII .30-06 and .45 right away.