Anybody Get There Drums Yet?
Posted 20 September 2005 - 09:31 AM
I don't believe that going out of ones way to inform on another gun owner is productive. Yes it may only be "Oleg" in Russia, but what of his customers? The fact that the goverment has only confiscated the parts doesn't matter, they could just as easily arrest the gun owner if they choose. Ignorance of the law is no defense, so even if the gun owner didn't know better he could still be charged.
The effort put forth to "educate" the gov agencies on illegal parts, would better serve the firearms community if the effort were used to educate gun owners. The more gun owners in the US know of the law, the better suited they will be to act in changing the law. What happens after the gov stops the flow of parts? They say thanks and then leave the gun owners of the US alone from now on or they look for another area to attack the 2nd admend? Just the .02 cents of an ignorant country boy.....
Posted 20 September 2005 - 09:32 AM
The snitches and informants we use begin as criminals, the carrot being freedom and a few bucks cause they can't sell blood for the next hit of Meth.
What we have here is a crusader. Randal is someone who will save us from ourselves any way possible. Do we need it, I guess if we are to live as lemmings.
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Posted 20 September 2005 - 10:51 AM
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Haven't heard of anyone who has; at least not in this post. Certainly not me, I live in Ohio.
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 10:51 AM
I called customer service over at SG about something I had to return from another order and asked about the drums. As far as the guy knew, they were still inbound and were genuine brand-new-never-issued new-in-the-cosmoline US surplus drums. I asked if maybe they were from Russia and he said he had no idea.
For all anyone knows, they may have been found in a warehouse here in the US and the guide has negotiated some kind of deal.....
Only they know for sure. Personally, I'll just assume that this whole deal is on the up-and-up and I'll continue to wait. If they send drums.
If it turns out that all are confiscated before they can be sent out to us then we won't be charged for them. I also hope that if they are in fact illegally imported that the BATFE doesn't come knocking at my door a year from now demanding the drums (like they have done in the past with various parts kits that weren't properly demilled!)
I wish us all luck.
Posted 26 September 2005 - 07:21 PM
Posted 26 September 2005 - 11:03 PM
Now, can the tide get turned when the purchaser has reason to believe that the title may be defective? Possibly so.
For example, you get a deal on a virgin sheep. You question whether there are in reality any virgin sheep left in the world, and also, wonder if it is really a virgin sheep, why the price is so low. But the deal is too good to pass up. Turns out, the sheep (although a virgin) is stolen. The rightful owner can reclaim the sheep, take her from you, and pay you nothing. Your only recourse is with the seller (the thief), who has fled the country back to Nigeria. Because the deal was too good to be true and from a thief, you are not a BFP (bona fide purchaser in good faith) under the UCC. One who purchases from a thief never gets any better title than his predecessor...... none.
In this case, I think it would be presumed that the price was decent for the offering, and that a court would find that there was reason to believe that title was good. SG should owe you a refund (unlike the sheep's owner).
Edited by TNKen, 26 September 2005 - 11:04 PM.
Posted 27 September 2005 - 06:10 AM
Posted 27 September 2005 - 07:00 AM
In Tennessee (and I haven't checked other states) however, the status of a BFP also applies in a situation where there is "larceny by trick" which is somewhat akin to theft. For example, Joe represents to you that he is in a position to restore your Thompson '27, and you voluntarily surrender the Thompson to Joe for the restoration. All along, Joe plans on selling your Thompson for cash, and as soon as it is in his hands, he sells it. Assuming the buyer was an innocent BFP, the buyer gets clear title to the Thompson. The issue is a voluntary surrender of the goods by you; you voluntarily gave Joe possession. You will call Joe a thief, which he really is. Under the UCC in Tennessee, this is "larceny by trick." I personally don't see it as any different than an outright theft, but the law unfortunately does.
Check out the provisions of 2-403 of the UCC.
I gave my '63 Corvette to a guy for restoration, and he sold some of the parts I had. He's dead now with an insolvent estate, but I can't go back against the people that got the parts because I voluntarily gave him the car to restore.
Had a stolen banjo case a few years ago that was located after 20 years. We filed suit against the holder to recover the banjo, who purchased it at a yard sale, and ultimately prevailed under the stolen property theory.
Posted 27 September 2005 - 08:54 AM
A person entrusted with a voidable title to a good has power to create good title by transfering to a BFPV. The classic example is the watch repair shop where you leave your Rolex that then sells it. There is no way to get the Rolex back from the BFPV as 2-403 created good title upon the sale by the repair shop. (the irony being that 2-403 "upgrades" the title passed by the repair shop from voidable to good).
However, a thief in possession of stolen good, i.e., a void title, has no power to pass title to a BFPV even if a merchant engaged in the trade of selling those items.
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