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#61 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 09:51 PM



That's much better. But that typeface could only be appreciated by tax accountants. Looks like Ms. Troy wanted to queer the deal for all .45 smg's registered before 1986 by specifically asking for WH exclusivity, but ATF, knowing that they do not pay attention to manufacturer, defined C&R eligibility to ALL "Thompson'" made prior to 86. Is she Trast's daughter or something?

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 10:25 PM

Arthur,
Ms. Troy, President of the TCA, has done more with one letter for the Thompson enthusiasts and collectors in this country than you have done your entire life. Let me stop! To be fair, I must give equal time. Arthur, go ahead a list a few things you have done to help Thompson enthusiasts and collectors. The floor is yours...I am sure your accomplishments will be as noteworthy wink.gif


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Posted 01 February 2006 - 11:20 PM

After looking at the letter in reality I think I gotta go with Arthur on this. It looks like All transferable thompsons. I won't make any accusations about the TCA folks as I have no axe to grind with them or west hurley. Thompsons are Thompsons.......
Well thats it for now.
thanks for posting the letter guys
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#64 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 11:55 PM

TD,

I'm sure Carol Troy's contributions to the Thompson community are legion. I'm sorry I missed the statue unveiling. But I do wonder why Ms. Troy's letter to ATF explicitly mentioned the WH version of the TSMG when her parochial interests were superfluous to ATF. Perhaps the recent TCA split had something to do with this sort of thinking.

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 01:22 AM

woot.gif Does that make my SFAB gun a C&R? Cool beans..... hail.gif
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 07:17 AM

Jeez Arty. I often think you get a raw deal but to say Carol tried to "queer" the deal is just stupid. The pont was to get the replica Thompsons manufactured in West Hurley post WW2 classsified as C&R. That the ATF was more general in their finding was a plus.

I bet you think there were two shooters in Dallas.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 07:56 AM

QUOTE (Roland, Headless Thompson Gunner @ Feb 2 2006, 07:17 AM)
I bet you think there were two shooters in Dallas.

Actually there were 3.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 08:58 AM

Again, I take the plain unambiguous language on that letter to mean "all" Thompsons are C&R. That includes my reweld Savage.

I agree TCA asked for WH inclusion, but ATF gave us a late Christmas gift, and I for one, am happy.

If someone disagrees that this letter doesn't make ALL Thompson's C&R, please respond, citing the letter to bolster the argument.

Understanding that Form 4's (at least any I've seen) don't ever say Thompson, they just say M1 or 1928, or just MG. Therefore, if you "look" at my gun, it's obviously a Savage Thompson.

I'll let you guys refute it.

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#69 Roland, Headless Thompson Gunner

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 09:05 AM

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Actually there were 3


Oh well, yeah, if your going to count Oswald. But that's for another thread.

The point is TCA scored one for the Westie replica whores. (like me!)
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 10:18 AM

Oh now he calls me a whore. If I had feelings I would be hurt.
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#71 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 11:06 AM

v188 & Mike Hammer,

The ATF response letter is unambiguous in allowing all TSMG's under the C&R umbrella.

Roland,
Not having access to Carol's original letter to ATF, I can only judge her intentions from reading ATF's reply. Those who move in the TCA circles might know the reasons why she narrowed the scope of the request to WH's. Was "queered the deal" an unduly harsh phrase? Seems pretty innocuous in todays slang lexicon.

Other than your protests on that score, your post is deadly accurate with the assistance of Mike Hensley.

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 11:28 AM

My take on the letter is that all TSMG's are now on the C&R list. A new update should be posted on ATF's web site soon. I see that the WH 1928s in .22 caliber made it on there.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 05:08 PM

Arthur, on the contrary, I belive Mr. Nixon's letter of Jan. 12th is ambiguous as hell. If we are to believe all fully transferable "Thompson Sub-Machine Guns" (as it is worded in the letter) are now C&R's, then we must define what actual assembly of a complete gun is considered a "THOMPSON". Is a Thompson any working machine gun with one or more original "Thompson" parts on it, must a Thompson say the word THOMPSON on the receiver, is a Pearl or some other mfg. receiver attached to some Thompson parts kit considered a "Thompson". On the paperwork must the word "Thompson" be listed somewhere there, or is it OK if it just LOOKS like Thompson? No if properly done, his letter should have gone into greater detail and fully stated that "this includes rewelds, newly mfg. receivers,receivers manufactured other than Auto-Ordinance ect... Has anyone tried giving Mr. Nixon a call to get his implied meaning on this letter or the updated C&R list? blink.gif

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 10:07 AM

QUOTE (Roland @ Headless Thompson Gunner,Feb 2 2006, 09:05 AM)
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Actually there were 3


Oh well, yeah, if your going to count Oswald. But that's for another thread.

The point is TCA scored one for the Westie replica whores.

[QUOTE]
Roland I represent that!!!!!!!! blink.gif
Bill OUT
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 10:20 AM

All I can say is I'm happy as shit that they now fall into C&R so I can take mine anywhere I go with out all the paper hassle.
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