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#1 Murray

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 01:17 AM

Hey guys,
Check this one out!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem

It is a West Hurly rather poor shape "L" drum being offered for sale as a WW2 Airborne div Thompson drum.
Given the known wounderful history of that division I demand that you Yanks do something about this outrage immediatly!!!! soapbox.gif
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 06:59 AM

Yeah, I wondered about that too.... looks like a Westie with the pin for the key. But the cover looks like an older drum. I put in a lower offer, but others ph34r.gif thought it was worth more anyway! If it is a westie, and it WORKS, $300 ain't all that bad!
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 07:14 AM

QUOTE (giantpanda4 @ Feb 6 2006, 06:59 AM)
Yeah, I wondered about that too.... looks like a Westie with the pin for the key. But the cover looks like an older drum. I put in a lower offer, but others  ph34r.gif  thought it was worth more anyway! If it is a westie, and it WORKS, $300 ain't all that bad!

Mike,

It's a West Hurley, not WWII.
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 11:46 AM

QUOTE (gijive @ Feb 6 2006, 07:14 AM)
QUOTE (giantpanda4 @ Feb 6 2006, 06:59 AM)
Yeah, I wondered about that too.... looks like a Westie with the pin for the key. But the cover looks like an older drum. I put in a lower offer, but others  ph34r.gif  thought it was worth more anyway! If it is a westie, and it WORKS, $300 ain't all that bad!

Mike,

It's a West Hurley, not WWII.

Some idiotts think any Westie is worth $350.00 WWII used or not... ph34r.gif I gave GiantP4 my prediction on where the auction will end.... Only time will tell.....
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 12:25 PM

Big D,

Do my eyes deceive me or are you bidding on an auction where the seller has zero feedback, doesn't identify his location, and deliberately misidentified the item as being anything other than a WH L drum? Compared to this guy, the seller with the Crosby drum looks like a veritable George Washington.

Apparently you have loosened your strict purchasing guidelines.

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 12:37 PM

QUOTE (Arthur Fliegenheimer @ Feb 6 2006, 12:25 PM)
Big D,

Do my eyes deceive me or are you bidding on an auction where the seller has zero feedback, doesn't identify his location,  and deliberately misidentified the item as being anything other than a WH L drum?  Compared to this guy, the seller with the Crosby drum looks like a veritable George Washington.

Apparently you have loosened your strict purchasing guidelines.

Not without prior discussion with said individual... cop.gif But thanks for your concern there Arty.... It's good to know someone has my back.... smile.gif Problem with your Europ.... errr.... New York buddy is I have to much info on him.....
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 12:40 PM

QUOTE (Z3BigDaddy @ Feb 6 2006, 11:46 AM)

Some idiotts think any Westie is worth $350.00 WWII used or not... :

Z3,

Are you implying that West Hurley marked drums were used during WWII? Or do you mean that some bidders may actually believe the drum was actually a WWII vintage drum?
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 01:10 PM

QUOTE (Z3BigDaddy @ Feb 6 2006, 12:37 PM)
Not without prior discussion with said individual... cop.gif But thanks for your concern there Arty.... It's good to know someone has my back.... smile.gif Problem with your Europ.... errr.... New York buddy is I have to much info on him.....

Am I to conclude from "prior discussion" that you have contacted patchman2006 to confirm the identity of the drum? If so, why has he not revised his ebay ad? It's OK if you have a preference for WH drums.
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 10:11 PM

I got a email from the seller since I had bid as well. Z3 probably did as well.

Seller says.... it may not be an actual WWII drum, but the military was still using them when this was made, so it could be military.... (??)

Yeah, it is bull and I was some what burned, but as I told Blaine, it is not a bad deal for a Westie that works (assumption here...) compared to the current Kahr. I was thinking it was a cover from a WWII on a westie, but as you all have confirmed is all westie.

Question for drum experts... since I have yet to get a WWII drum.. what is the best way to tell a WWII fron a westie (other then the pin is hollow on a WWII) if all you have to look at is the front cover???

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 10:22 PM

QUOTE (giantpanda4 @ Feb 6 2006, 10:11 PM)
Question for drum experts... since I have yet to get a WWII drum.. what is the best way to tell a WWII fron a westie (other then the pin is hollow on a WWII) if all you have to look at is the front cover???


MIke,

The easiest way to tell is by looking at the WIND TO 9 or 11 CLICKS printing on the drum face. The West Hurley drums have the printed instructions in more of a semi-circle. The original drums have the printing in a slight arc, not as much of a pronounced curve.

The Thompson bullet logo is also more pointed on the originals, not as blunt looking as on the West Hurley drums. In addition the drain slots on the face and body plates are more pronounced and sharp than the West Hurley's. Hope this helps.
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 10:28 PM

Thanks gijive,

Yes - that does help a lot! He just added more pictures as well.

But anyway I just asked him to cancel my bid (even though Z3 over bid me) so he may be getting it at the $300 bargain price after all! smile.gif
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 10:31 PM

Mike,

Here is a picture of a real one. The bullet logo is covered by the winding key, but you get the idea.

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 10:40 PM

Hey guys,
Note there are no guides in the drum other than in the last section. I think that is a 10 round westie. I am not sure as we never had such drums (10 round) here in New Zealand but I am sure the guides are missing.
If it is a 10 round drum it is only worth about $100 if that.in fact I would suggest with the mag law sunset it is worth nothing.
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 10:46 PM

Why are folks excited about a $300+ WH drum when you can buy an LOE WH drum from Numrich for 288.75? I have the drum that came with my WH as well as one of the Numrich LOE drums. Other than the tight fitting rails on the LOE, they look and function the same for me.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 01:38 AM

QUOTE (Roland @ Headless Thompson Gunner,Feb 6 2006, 10:46 PM)
Why are folks excited about a $300+ WH drum when you can buy an LOE WH drum from Numrich for 288.75?  I have the drum that came with my WH as well as one of the Numrich LOE drums.  Other than the tight fitting rails on the LOE, they look and function the same for me.

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Hi my name is Blaine and I am a Westieaholic...

I just have a thing for the Westies, the fifties run w/o having to tweak em and the 39 rounders are as nice and if Drum Doctored better......... Merle says the 39 round drums are one of his fav's and I'll take his word when it comes to drums..... That is why I get excited..... I keep telling people I'll buy all their old Westies but no offers yet... Of course when I get my pile of WWII drums from SG that will probaby come to an end.....
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Posted 07 February 2006 - 01:40 AM

QUOTE (Murray @ Feb 6 2006, 10:40 PM)
Hey guys,
Note there are no guides in the drum other than in the last section. I think that is a 10 round westie. I am not sure as we never had such drums (10 round) here in New Zealand but I am sure the guides are missing.
If it is a 10 round drum it is only worth about $100 if that.in fact I would suggest with the mag law sunset it is worth nothing.
Regards
Murray

Murray,

It is an L drum just look in this thread as I posted a pic of what a 10 round drum looks like....

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 06:57 AM

QUOTE (Murray @ Feb 6 2006, 10:40 PM)
Note there are no guides in the drum other than in the last section. I think that is a 10 round westie. I am not sure as we never had such drums (10 round) here in New Zealand but I am sure the guides are missing.
If it is a 10 round drum it is only worth about $100 if that.in fact I would suggest with the mag law sunset it is worth nothing.

Hey Murray,

Nice call, you're right, the drum body doesn't have the spiral tracks going all the way around. I didn't even notice that. Of course, I have no interest in the West Hurley stuff, so I didn't pay much attention.

Bill,

You're right, why pay over $300.00 for a drum on Ebay when you can get one chaeper right from the source.


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Posted 07 February 2006 - 07:57 AM

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 01:58 PM

QUOTE (gijive @ Feb 7 2006, 06:57 AM)
QUOTE (Murray @ Feb 6 2006, 10:40 PM)
Note there are no guides in the drum other than in the last section. I think that is a 10 round westie. I am not sure as we never had such drums (10 round) here in New Zealand but I am sure the guides are missing.
If it is a 10 round drum it is only worth about $100 if that.in fact I would suggest with the mag law sunset it is worth nothing.

Hey Murray,

Nice call, you're right, the drum body doesn't have the spiral tracks going all the way around. I didn't even notice that. Of course, I have no interest in the West Hurley stuff, so I didn't pay much attention.

Bill,

You're right, why pay over $300.00 for a drum on Ebay when you can get one chaeper right from the source.



What do you mean nice call? Did you look at the pictures, or just back up Murray without looking? It is NOT a ten round drum! And please let me know where I "can get one chaeper right from the source". Here are two pics so you can compare..... I pulled my bid due to the fact that the seller rivised his auction and still tried to act like it could have been a WWII drum but it is still worth over 300 bucks as far as I'm concerned.....


This is a ten round drum, notice the rail stops at 1/4 way around the drum.



This is the drum we are discussing... Notice the rails go completely around the drum a full two times.
that is a fiddy round drum not a 10 round drum... And it is not a new Kahr production drum.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 03:42 PM

QUOTE (Z3BigDaddy @ Feb 7 2006, 01:58 PM)
What do you mean nice call?  Did you look at the pictures, or just back up Murray without looking?  It is NOT a ten round drum!  And please let me know where I  "can get one chaeper right from the source".  Here are two pics so you can compare..... 

Z3,

I looked at the picture of the ten round drum that was posted. No, you're correct I didn't look at the picture on the Ebay auction. I agreed with the picture Murray was referring to.

Bill mentioned Numrich as the source for the LEO marked drums. They are the West Hurley drums, not the current Kahr manufactured drums.
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