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#1 philasteen

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 06:55 PM

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Does it take drums?


http://www.brpguns.com/stgthompson.htm
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 08:00 PM

You see...this is the type of crap that I was trying to address in the earlier thread about the new poorly worded and too simplistic ATF letter accepting "all Thompsons" as C&R's. Needless to say, I don't think this gun could ever be considered a Thompson, ......or could it? Does it say "stemple" on the form4, does it say stemple/thompson, does it at all matter WHAT it says on the form, some have already stated that it doesn't. Because this "LOOKS" like a Thompson, is it considered another Thompson variation. Allright you brainiacs, hash this one over! banghead.gif

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#3 philasteen

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 08:17 PM

The drum comment was supposed to be sarcasm -- let me add this to it: wink.gif
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 09:28 PM

Not to sound stupid, but exactly what is a "stemple/thompson?" Is it a C&R gun, transferable, pre- or post-86?

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 10:00 PM

35divmp (Jay)-

Not a stupid question at all.

Stemple registered tons of tubes prior to the May 1986 new registration ban for machine guns. Since the receiver (in this case, the stemple tube) is the registered and taxed part.

This outfit (in my home state) simply repackaged a pre-ban registered tube, added some custom parts and made it into something that looks different. Most of the tubes were to be made into Sten guns. If you notice the blow up picture on the website:

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...that is not a true "Thompson" receiver that you could interchange with my full autos. It is simply a shell to hold the registered tube. If you read SAR, lots of manufacturers are taking registered tubes and repackaging them into guns they never were originally intended to be.

To answer your question, these guns are pre-ban and transferrable to civilians due to the registered tube receiver prior to 5/86. It does not qualify as a C&R item since the tube was made in the mid 80's.

Even though it is affordable, getting parts for it is probably an expensive and prohibitive idea. The nice things about "standard" Thompsons are that parts are relatively cheap and easy to come by. I would probably say it would be better to spend a few more dollars and get a WH or a WWII M1, but maybe that is just me. Looking at the configuration (while quite an engineering idea) - most of those components are custom, except for the grips. Even the lower looks to be modified for the sear, along with the bolt, barrel, buffer, that "pin in the back", etc.

Hope that helps-

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 12:50 AM

BRP must have gottten a hold of a lot of those Stemple tubes- They are also making another takedown gun that uses a Suomi 9mm drum. I think I will ask them if one tube can be used in both models-register one tube and then kits to make them both as it appears ATF wants them to be takedown capable all the way to the tube and it remains unchanged at all- How they managed to get the barrels/trunnions attached in a completely different way is hard to tell since the original tube guns all had the breech/trunnions welded into the tubes- The other Stemple model, the 37W is sorta neat looking.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 06:14 AM

Not that I'd want one, but I think this is damn clever engineering and it puts to use a lot of '28 parts kits pieces as well as the registered tube.

I don't see how they can be making much money on them when tooling and engineering costs are factored in.
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Posted 10 March 2006 - 09:50 AM

Reminds me of turning your Fiero into a Ferrari, looks like one but is really a dressed up turd. cool.gif

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 10:29 AM

I gotta agree with you the STG Thompson looks too funky, especially that rear sight sorta stick out like a sore thumb, but for anyone that doesn't have a Thompson of anykind but does have 7-8 grand to spend I truly think it is a great opportunity- heck of a lot better than a simple Sten gun- Now the other one that runs the soumi drum is kinda nuvo Russian PPhs looking is kinda neat- probably cause I don't have anything close to it to compare it too like we do with the TSMG- I bet if there was a PPhs/Finnish Soumi Board they would probably call the latter a turd too.
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Posted 10 March 2006 - 12:24 PM

I was thinking for that kind of money, it would be a good intro or starter weapon for a USGI WW2 reenactor to use to get into the full-auto club...I know it doesn't look 100% authentic, but neither do the modern combat boots and MRE's that a lot of guys sport in the field, and they don't seem to care...besides, I'd feel a lot better about accidentally dropping this weapon into a water hole and bangin' it up on the ground, rather than a 'real' Thompson...it would probably pass the "10-foot rule"... wink.gif
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Posted 10 March 2006 - 12:43 PM

I like the Suomi copy they are making. It looks neat. If the price was like $4500, I would buy one. The Thompson is a neat idea but it looks a little funky. I do like the fact that they are making different versions of the Stemple. I hope they function reliable.
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Posted 10 March 2006 - 01:46 PM

QUOTE (ghostsoldier @ Mar 10 2006, 12:24 PM)
I'd feel a lot better about accidentally dropping this weapon into a water hole and bangin' it up on the ground, rather than a 'real' Thompson...it would probably pass the "10-foot rule"... wink.gif

Rob:

As a WWII GI reenactor I would have to agree with you, besides, it's a lot closer to a real Thompson than those crappy "Spitfire" smgs I've seen. Now there's a turd.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 07:05 PM

QUOTE (35divmp @ Mar 10 2006, 01:46 PM)
As a WWII GI reenactor I would have to agree with you, besides, it's a lot closer to a real Thompson than those crappy "Spitfire" smgs I've seen.  Now there's a turd.

Jay

Jay,
...or maybe one of them thar Volunteer Arms 'Thompsons'.... blink.gif
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