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#1 Grenadier916

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Posted 29 October 2003 - 12:23 PM

When then order sunsets next year (if it does) Will the price of drums take a drastic fall in price?
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Posted 29 October 2003 - 12:35 PM

WH drums and new production- yes, big time. Kahr currently sells them to LEO for <$150

WWII- perhaps a bit but not much if at all.

Colt- no

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Posted 29 October 2003 - 12:37 PM

I'd be willing to bet that the prices of all drums will not change. Colt and Bridgeport, etc., will still command high premium prices. But, you will be able to buy new production drums (those by Kahr and Numrich) for what they sell now to law enforcement--under $200. They might drop some, but not much I'd say.
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Posted 29 October 2003 - 12:42 PM

So maybe I should set back and hold onto my cash. I dont wanna pay for a deum what I paid for my semi-auto. Just not worth it to me. Whats a X rnd drum usually sell for used? I just want to have something for looks on this gun.
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Posted 29 October 2003 - 12:56 PM

Hmmm...how much was that buttstock kit...oh yeah....how about 150 for an X drum? biggrin.gif

sorry. X drums new are around 100 or so ... and they are classic, even if the weight ratio between drum and ammunition is appalling...

Sportsman's guide had xx mags by the way, don't know if you got a reply on that question...
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Posted 29 October 2003 - 01:35 PM

Not to flame anyone but If you think that Hillary, Schumer, Brady and Feinstein are going to let this law sunset, please let me have some of whatever you are smoking. There are few politicians willing to stick there neck out on this issue. This dosn't mean I'm telling you give up on writing your Congressman and Senator's, please do so and tell them this stupid law needs to expire. But I think you need to look at the other side of the equation and prepair yourself for a JUMP UP in prices on large capacity magazines when this law gets extended or made permanent. Now is the time to get 'um before this comes to vote next year.

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Posted 29 October 2003 - 02:13 PM

Well there is that all mighty word "if".

If the bill doesn't sunset and the newer laws are voted in to action, from the writing it looks as if those that own hi cap mags. will be stuck with them. There is no writing within the law that states where these hi cap items are to be disposed. Shredder perhaps, with the reimbursement the price of scrap metal.

Many feel that the new laws won't take effect, but that the laws as they stand will become permanent. Should S. 1034 & H. R. 2038 by some slip of the pen become law even the modern 27's will go up in price a helling. If you can even transfer them at that point.
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Posted 29 October 2003 - 04:39 PM

My .02? Prices on all Drums will drop.
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Posted 29 October 2003 - 05:02 PM

i don't think the new made drums will drop.
when/ if the ban expires, many people will be jumping to buy new drums.

maybe after a few months they drop alittle but not right away. it'll be a money maker for kahr. even at 150-200 bucks it's astill a lot better than 550-700 bucks at the current market for drums.

what would be really neat is if somebody started making new C-drums.
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Posted 29 October 2003 - 06:50 PM

My $.02...

The law indeed sunsets since that it how it is written. However, before the 1994 Crime Bill sunsets, I believe that another law will be passed which prohibits all things prohibited in the 1994 law and then some. Why? The Republicans will sell us out to the Democrats to get sometthing that they think is more important. The logic will be "The gun community has lived without high-capacity magazines and assault weaposn for ten years, they can live forever without them". I hope I am wrong, but it is politics.
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Posted 29 October 2003 - 07:14 PM

Fred, I've given that some thought too. It could very well happen. If it does, one word; REVOLUTION!
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Posted 29 October 2003 - 07:40 PM

What possible use would police departments have for TSMG drums anyway? What cop store still uses TSMG's on the street?

Even if the ban sunsets, there is no way it could impact Colt drum prices, unless Colt decides to gear up and make numbered drums again. That is aboput as likely as the 1934, 1968, and 1986 NFA laws also expiring.

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Posted 29 October 2003 - 07:48 PM

Aurthur:

I concur, though I know one cop that'd love to carry his Thompson in the trunk;-)

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Posted 29 October 2003 - 07:54 PM

Chris,
If that C Drum is a Colt, would the trooper consider selling to use the funds for a K-9 unit?

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Posted 29 October 2003 - 08:05 PM

Chris, I just wonder who is the wild eyed Trooper behind that big old gun!? That shot looks kind of familiar.......
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Posted 29 October 2003 - 08:23 PM

Arthur:

Certainly, a K-9 would be cheaper to feed.


Mike: Er...um....yeah. Somewhat familiar. Coicidence! Happenstance!

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Posted 29 October 2003 - 08:51 PM

I too believe the originals will retail their value and will now remain on the shelves as collector pieces and money spent to purchase new ones to use at the range.

Remember, the C Drums and some of the 50 round drums are approaching the century mark. Once that happens I forsee prices making an even bigger jump.


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Posted 29 October 2003 - 09:30 PM

"What cop store still uses TSMG's on the street?"

Interesting...I don't know if they ever use them anymore these days, but I know for a fact of at least two police departments in VA (one a fairly small town deep in SW VA, the other a sizeable city in south-central VA) that have a number of TSMGs in their inventory. And no, neither one will part with them. (Plenty of people have tried, both chiefs are of the the opinion that us civvies "don't need that kind of firepower.")
FWIW, sheriff's department in the town I live in has a live, transferrable Colt Monitor/R-80 in their inventory...same story though, they won't part with it either. (Damn! I'd love to have a Monitor! I'd be willing to part with my TSMG for that one!) I don't know how true it is, but the story I heard on the Monitor (several long-time residents, a few cops, and one lawyer) was that it was used long ago in some sort of robbery, then dumped by the bad guys. The sheriff's department recovered it from under the water beneath a bridge and the old sheriff papered the gun. When he retired he transferred it to the sheriff's department.

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Posted 29 October 2003 - 09:43 PM

Bill,
A Colt Monitor B.A.R. is about the only weapon that would entice even the most fanatic TSMG owner to trade for one. As far as these police departments that currently own these kinds of weapons for no other reason than for the novelty of it, they should be pressured by the state, or city, tax payers to auction them off to interested collectors. Since it is a civil service local authority and not a business, or a person who owns these guns, they should be compelled to sell them for the revenue it would bring to their respective departments. This would prevent any incoming elected sheriffs, police chiefs, etc, who does not have any affinity for these firearms, from melting them down.

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Posted 30 October 2003 - 04:33 PM

Exactly Arthur, I most heartily concur! I would also like to see the FBI give up any Thompsons still in their inventories. After all, an MP5 or even an M-16 A4 is a lot more user friendly, especially for their female agents (less upper body strength). Those weapons belong to the taxpayers! blink.gif rolleyes.gif smile.gif So, too, do the small arms in the military. Why shouldn't these weapons be sold to the highest American bidder; Sorry, my sense of capitalism only goes so far. laugh.gif blink.gif What a colossal waste to allow our government to torch-cut these weapons, sell them for a pittance, or give them away to some third world nation!!! ohmy.gif mad.gif sad.gif I agree with Devlin that if the 1994 Crime Bill dies a natural death and is not replaced with something worse, then prices should drop on all large capacity magazines. I, for one, would love to see some company start to manufacture C-drums (preferably Colt-certainly one which knows something about the words 'tolerance' and 'quality control') again. smile.gif cool.gif Regards, Walter

P.S. That's a great photo Chris! blink.gif smile.gif tongue.gif
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