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#1 M1tommygun

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 10:24 AM

I was trying to do a search for a thread about the modified foregrip for the M1/M1A1s that had the verticle grip attached to the horizontal grip used some in WWII. I did not know what to enter to find something about them, so my search was not very successful. Does anyone have a good picture of one, and possibly have one for sale or know where I can get one? Thanks.

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 01:39 PM

Scott,
I know what you're talking about...it's one hell of a strange looking combo. As a matter of fact, unless someone else here beats me to it, I used to have a pic of one in my files...let me see if I can find it and I'll send it to you on this forum or the WW2 one... biggrin.gif
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Posted 03 April 2006 - 01:57 PM

BINGO!
Scott...is this what your'e looking for?

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This one's in the Smithsonian...

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Here's a Marine on Tinian using it...

Rumor has it you can still buy these in repro from Sarco...
Hope this helps!
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Posted 03 April 2006 - 02:32 PM

This looks like a field modification to me.
Take a standard rear grip, cut it off at the proper length and angle add a long grip bolt and ya got a vertical front grip on an M1a1.
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Posted 03 April 2006 - 02:39 PM

Rob, That's what I am looking for. Thanks. I remember seeing a real good picture of some (I think) 2nd Armored troops in Normandy dressed in the cammo uniforms, and one with a Thompson that had one of those grips on it. I would love to see it again. Does anyone know if these were made as an alternative to the horizontal grip, or were they something soldiers threw together. It looks like nothing more than a rear pistol grip attached to the fore grip.

AC556, although that is not what I was looking for, I am still considering purchasing one of those reinforcing bands.

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 09:45 PM

Here's a couple of those foregrips in a collection.
Sure looks like somebody was manufacturing them...

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 10:17 PM

Scott,
Here's the link about this grip...go to the index at the left, click on "1998 Index", and scroll down to the first listing, "Vol. 98 - December 15, 1998, Field Modification Foregrip"...

Thompson Collectors Article Index

Give Sarco a call and see what they say...
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 03:11 AM

Hey Zamm, I take it that is your collection tongue.gif : . Man-O-man, I would love to have just one of those M1 Thompsons.

Rob, I forgot about that article. It has been a while since I looked at that website. Thanks. I will have to give Sarco a call, unless someone has a foregrip and pistol grip they are not using and could part with at a reasonable price biggrin.gif .

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 08:23 AM

I have a question about this. Why did the Military go with the horizontal grip anyway? Just because of the "breakage" factor? Or was there some other reason? The Thompson is much more controllable with the front vertical grip. I've seen plenty of pics of GI's holding on to the sling at the swivel while firing so this is why the above mentioned field mod was born. So why was it changed??
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 06:33 PM

I ain't no expert Hawk, but I would think removing it was another factor in streamlining the production design of the M1 for the US military...a 2-piece grip would probably take longer to manufacture than the one-piece design (not to mention the fact that the extra handle was a liablility as far as storage, transporting, and just general "hang-up-on-everything-and-break-off" conceivableness....(is that a word?)
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 06:45 PM

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a 2-piece grip would probably take longer to manufacture than the one-piece design


But that front grip is not two piece..... slap.gif
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 06:49 PM

QUOTE (ghostsoldier @ Apr 4 2006, 06:33 PM)
I ain't no expert Hawk, but I would think removing it was another factor in streamlining the production design of the M1 for the US military...a 2-piece grip would probably take longer to manufacture than the one-piece design (not to mention the fact that the extra handle was a liablility as far as storage, transporting, and just general "hang-up-on-everything-and-break-off" conceivableness....(is that a word?)
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The horizonal front grip was introduced on the 28 Navy in the late 20's, long before they worried about streamlining mass production. As I recall, Frank's book mentions that the military wanted a more "conventional" look and a better place to mount the sling swivel.
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 10:59 PM

QUOTE (Hawkeye_Joe @ Apr 4 2006, 06:45 PM)
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a 2-piece grip would probably take longer to manufacture than the one-piece design


But that front grip is not two piece..... slap.gif

My bad, Hawk...I always thought that it was made from 2 pieces of wood... blink.gif
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Posted 05 April 2006 - 03:30 AM

I found this picture on the internet. It show a group of 82nd paratroopers getting ready for the MarketGarden jump. I was unable to enlarge the picture with my meager photo-editing software. Check out the para standing in the door with the Thompson. He has a modified pistol grip attached to his 1928, and it looks like he had two XXX mags welded together front to back for quicker reloading.

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If anyone can enlarge it to get a better look let me know.

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 10:52 AM

Scott, E-mail me the original picture I think I can resize it.

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 11:11 AM

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My bad, Hawk...I always thought that it was made from 2 pieces of wood... blink.gif
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Rob,

It is a two-piece grip. It was a pistol grip screwed on to a horizontal fore grip. It was a field modification, probably done at a an Ordnance Division level, not a standard mass-produced item from the factory.
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Posted 05 April 2006 - 01:01 PM

QUOTE (M1tommygun @ Apr 5 2006, 03:30 AM)
If anyone can enlarge it to get a better look let me know.


Damn these old eyes...I can't quite make it out, Scott....epecially the 2 mags connected together... blink.gif...maybe Hawk can blow it up larger...
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Posted 05 April 2006 - 01:04 PM

QUOTE (gijive @ Apr 5 2006, 11:11 AM)
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My bad, Hawk...I always thought that it was made from 2 pieces of wood... blink.gif

Rob,

It is a two-piece grip. It was a pistol grip screwed on to a horizontal fore grip. It was a field modification, probably done at a an Ordnance Division level, not a standard mass-produced item from the factory.

He and I were talking about the original vertical foregrip jive...not the modified grip.... slap.gif
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Posted 05 April 2006 - 01:41 PM

QUOTE (Hawkeye_Joe @ Apr 5 2006, 01:04 PM)

He and I were talking about the original vertical foregrip jive...not the modified grip.... slap.gif

Hawkeye,

Sorry, my error. I stand corrected.
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Posted 05 April 2006 - 02:50 PM

Hawk,

I emailed you a copy of the picture. I hope you can get a larger copy of the picture on the forum. I can enlarge it, but photobucket will not save it enlarged. It resizes it to the size I posted. It is a cool picture to see enlarged, especially the Thompson I mentioned.

I emailed Sarco about the grip, but I have not heard back from them yet. I would really like to make one if I cannot find one.

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