Can't Reassemble Tommy - Please Help!
Posted 18 November 2003 - 04:06 AM
and I am totally, literally, stuck. I can get it to the point where it shows in the picture and it absolutely will not slide back together. The receiver rails are completely flush with the guiderails, and there doesn't seem to be anything in the trigger area that is blocking anything.. It seems that something is stopping the top and bottom sections from sliding back together but I have closely inspected both parts and I can't see anything in the way. I spent about an hour fiddling with it and I just can't figure it out.
I was able to get the parts to close back together last night but I just can't get it now.
Posted 18 November 2003 - 07:13 AM
Posted 18 November 2003 - 08:31 AM
What your are experiencing is normal for the Kahr 27. It was not designed with an easy disassembly/ assembly catch. You will need to insert a small screw driver or pen knife inside the rear of the receiver, between the receiver and the trigger frame. You will lift up a spring loaded button with your knife. The receiver should then slide into position. That springed button tends to hang up at several points, so you may have to do this wherever it hangs. Hope this is not too confusing.
Posted 18 November 2003 - 08:49 AM
Posted 18 November 2003 - 09:35 AM
The biggest difficulty in reassembly is when the parts are held as shown in the photo, the disconnector falls down into the receiver. Try holding the parts sideways so the disconnector stays in its proper place while sliding the frame/receiver together. On occasion a gun will be found where there is a gap between the safety and sear large enough to allow the frame latch to catch the edge of the safety while trying to reassemble. This can usually be overcome by manipulating the trigger and or safety while attempting to slide the frame/receiver together.
Edited by PK., 14 May 2009 - 08:00 AM.
Posted 18 November 2003 - 12:11 PM
As PK mentioned, I thought the disconnector might be the problem but I've tried holding it upside down from what it shows in the picture AND sideways and something is still catching on something. I just can't see what it is.
I also tried pressing the trigger, but that's the opposite of what I want to do. I'm trying to REassemble it, and by pressing the trigger it moves the parts up to push the receiver out.
Thanks so much for all the replies, but sadly they didn't work. Anymore suggestions?
Posted 18 November 2003 - 03:58 PM
try it with just empty recever and trigger frame first! If it slides easy your likely hanging up on something. If you have the frame latch held down and the thing will not slide together fairly easily look for burrs, rough or high spots wher the bluing is scraped off etc...
Posted 18 November 2003 - 04:40 PM
Posted 20 November 2003 - 03:09 AM
Posted 20 November 2003 - 08:48 AM
Have you tried removing the frame latch and reassembling? If it still wonít go, remove all the bolt components too, and try assembling the frame to the empty receiver. If that still wonít go, remove the pivot plate and empty all the parts out of the frame assy. If it wonít go together with all of the parts removed from both frame and receiver, there could be something wrong with the frame/receiver slide rails and it should be easy to see.
If the rails are to tight (this would be very unusual) it could be that they are bowed and filing would not be the proper course, straightening would be. You have got to make a proper analyses of the problem in order to relieve it correctly without making things worse.
Posted 20 November 2003 - 10:10 AM
Please do as others suggest and take systematically take out the internal parts. If everything else is out and the two slide together then the problem is not between the receiver and trigger frame.
And I think the safety does have to be off for the erassembly to work too. (Can't say for sure anymore, it's been a while since I've done it.)
Posted 14 December 2003 - 03:43 AM
But that saved paying a gunsmith 100$ or sending it back & waiting a month or more to get it back. BTW, when I called Kahr Arms, I spoke with both of their repair guys. The one said he didn't know how to fix this specific problem and to talk to the other guy. The other guy said he would take a rubber mallet and hammer it until it fit back together and he said it's "really messy" and "there would be pieces all over the floor". He said he'd then have to totally refinish it and it would be "like getting a brand new gun". I thought that was kind of overkill, or at least unnecessary to have to totally remake the gun for such a simple problem, but he said that's how they do it...
However, they were both very friendly, and when I suggested simply using a metal file to file it down he said that was a good idea.
He also assured me that filing it would NOT void the warranty, which I was concerned about.
Posted 14 December 2003 - 02:11 PM
Posted 14 December 2003 - 02:36 PM
Posted 14 December 2003 - 05:07 PM
the Kahr Thompson in their technical section.
This could be amusing... or not..
Posted 20 December 2003 - 10:14 PM
If you were Kahr, and you were sending a gun to "American Rifleman" to have as a "Technical Review" on their
TV show.. what would you do?
Pick a nice one.. tune it.. make sure it worked flawlessly.. right? Well they tried..
A few quotes...
"(Kahr) retooled Thompson's 80yr old design so that it can be manufactured with modern CNC machining to aid cost control and improve fit and finish."
"at 8.5lbs the thompon's trigger was quite heavy with substantial takeup and gritty letoff."
"we experienced no failues (to feed) with FMJ bullets, but hollow points and semi wad cutters often failed to feed properly."
No drum shown.
Funny thing though... it appeared that as the show went on, that the front half of the barrel became discolored.
They even went so far as to not show the whole gun in some shots. In one close up you can definately see a blemish on the barrel.
It sounded like a cap gun going off!
And to think I am going to buy one of these things.. Thank God for PK.
Posted 20 December 2003 - 10:29 PM
That is hysterical. Why does a show like American Rifleman pretend to give honest evaluations, when all they want to do is shill for any gun manufacturer, regardless of the quality of the weapon being tested. The fact that they tried in vain to conceal Kahr's shortcomings is another nail in the credibility coffin.
Posted 21 December 2003 - 01:20 PM
Fencer said, "Pick a nice one.. tune it.. make sure it worked flawlessly.. right? Well they tried.." - Back in the 60's and 70's un-named auto companies sent "blueprinted" vehicles to the motoring press for the test drives. The press kept on reviewing the same tweaked cars that were never what came off the showroom. Now the public buys Japanese and German cars. Is there a correlation?
Better Kahr send in what the buyer will get for $1041 (MSRP) for the review so that the buyer at least has an idea of what they will get.