M3 Versus Tsmg
Posted 27 November 2003 - 07:41 PM
Posted 27 November 2003 - 07:46 PM
M3's are nice in my opinion, I hope to own one some day!
Posted 27 November 2003 - 08:46 PM
Posted 27 November 2003 - 08:49 PM
Posted 27 November 2003 - 08:59 PM
They are the US version of the Sten!
If you collect semi auto versioins NO WAY would I buy one they are BIG time expensive for a stamped out gun
But hey we all have our opinions!
I like all guns, I am a gun nut, I LOVE machine guns, ANY types any kinds!
My favorite is the Thompson 1921A Colt to be exact I love the look without the compensator, that is why I built this post sample, I only need to finish it off!
Hey just for the hell of it, I belong to a gun club up here in North Eastern Ohio that is Automatic friendly, we host a military shoot twice a year in the spring and the fall if anyone is interested drop me a line, it is an open invitation for ANYONE on this board and I will let ALL of you try my autos if you make it out!
Posted 27 November 2003 - 10:31 PM
I realize that it is your opinion that the M3 is a piece of shi t. However, you cannot discount the fact that it IS a weapon that was issued during WWII and will forever go down in history as being such. If you are serious collector, you will not allow your personal emotions to interfere with your logic. By saying that you do not recognize the M3, and not wanting it means that you are disallowing yourself to have a 100% complete USGI small arms collection. I would love to get my hands on the real M3 Grease Gun. I only need that and the BAR. The BAR is in the works for the future.
I hate the M3 for replacing the Thompson. But that doesnt mean that I would disallow it into a collection.
Posted 27 November 2003 - 11:11 PM
I have an M1 Garand and 3 Carbines (all Winchester) from the CMP. I have a Rem Rand 1911, 03 Spring, 28 Thompson, 1919A4 so far. BAR's cost like rip, so I have been slow on getting one of these. The M3 is the only gun that I would consider in Semi. I could SBR it and pull the trigger as fast as that POS fires.
Again just my opinion
Posted 27 November 2003 - 11:24 PM
Anywho.. I don't believe many people supported the replacement of the thompson, but like said it has its place in history. Though it is kinda odd on how highly priced they are for something so few care for.
Dave - I might take you up on that some time...
Posted 27 November 2003 - 11:32 PM
The Thompson kicks a s s on both guns and neither could ever replace the Thompson. JMHO.
Posted 28 November 2003 - 10:49 AM
Posted 28 November 2003 - 11:42 AM
Posted 28 November 2003 - 06:48 PM
Just a side note, he did get his Thompson replaced, once. It was when it was really beat up from use(but still never jammed). He went up to a tank crewman when they were not in combat and asked how much the guy used his. The crewman responded that it wasn't fired once and was still in the bag(?) it came with. So he asked to trade off and the guy accepted it... This was all to get it replaced and avoid getting a grease gun. A thompson brought him that far in the war and he wanted it to finish the job.
Posted 28 November 2003 - 07:22 PM
Posted 28 November 2003 - 07:49 PM
Here are a few of my "American" collection that will be on the table for rent
Yes Hawk there is a "AO" M2 carbine.
My M3 carbine has that stupid IR sight on it and it's no fun with all the junk hanging on/off it so it won't be going!
Posted 28 November 2003 - 08:42 PM
Posted 28 November 2003 - 09:01 PM
One is a Plainfield Machine M-2 RR in excellent shape...runs perfectly (in posession), the other is a Saginaw SG carbine overstamped M2 by Rock island armory...runs perfectly ("pending")
Posted 28 November 2003 - 09:03 PM
The M3 was much harder to make than a simple tube gun. It involved two deeplty stamped receiver halves (like a clam shell) being welded around the entire profile of the receiver. Not hard for General Motors to make (especially when they had the stamping and welding tooling and procedures used in auto component construction). It's a different story for for your average small time tube gun maker. Parts availability dictated to some degree if pre ban guns were made also. There weren't a lot of M3 grease guns made and many served well into the 1980's for armor crewmen. IIRC, prior to the ban (maybe even back in the 1960's) a company called Medea (sp?) bought a bunch of Ithaca M3 receiver halves and welded them up themselves. Some of those guns are out there. Some of those receiver halves are still out there.
I missed out on the only M3 I ever thought about buying in the late 1980's when they were still "cheap".
Posted 28 November 2003 - 09:41 PM
Media Corp....Think there is one still for sale on Buddy's board for around 11.5K. Mine is a Guide Lamp.
The Madsen M50 is one also built in two halfs of stamped sheet held together with the barrel nut. Pretty cool idea but a pain to get back together if you're in a hurry
Mike, the BAR is a strange duck, I can't hit the broad side of a barn from the hip, but off the shoulder mine seems to shoot like a Garand...only full auto and smooth like a Thompson. Go ahead and step up to the plate take her for a test ride, you may not get another chance
Posted 28 November 2003 - 11:02 PM
USMC-2-USN; if the price is right...............you can email me if you want with details.