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QUOTE (LIONHART @ Mar 14 2005, 10:28 PM) QUOTE Do what you want. I don't really care. If YOU want the TSA goons to have full access to your high priced NFA toys so they can finger f**k them, be my guest. I, and most people that DO care to keep the TSA's grubby little fingers off of my NFA and non-NFA toys will use regular locks No matter what is used to secure the Case, the TSA Can open said Case, without you being there. Now, if your the type who wants to replace Locks, go ahead. There are more procedures that a Firearms Case goes through that your unaware. Too many inconsistencies to mention. Not worth my time.... QUOTE You haven't provided any proof that you know what you are talking about. I have. I don't need too. But I'm very familiar with them, and no, you didn't provide any proof that you made any such call. Then again, I doubt you ever did to begin with. QUOTE So step down, keyboard commando. And do NOT call me a liar unless you have proof that I have lied. The Proof as you say, is pretty much in your above Posts. Awwwww... no proof from you still? only claims? Too many inconsistencies to point out? If they are there, point them out! Your claims are baseless. Would a recorded telephone conversation from the TSA number that I provided be proof enough for you? Or wait, let me guess. I could FAKE the telephone conversation. Maybe a written letter from the TSA? No, I could fake that too. Pictures of me visiting the TSA headquarters (I'm not sure where that is, but I could possibly find out)? No, I could photoshop those. Looks like no matter what proof I provide, poor loathesome Lionhart won't believe it. That's fine with me. BTW, Alex Jones is a crackpot. You DO know that, don't you?

Again, Lionhart, you are wrong. I said that I never claimed the PERSON I SPOKE WITH made policy. I stated that the TSA made policy. I called the TSA. Their agent gave me the information I provided. That AGENT gave me TSA policy. Would you care to point out any other "inconsistencies" in my posts? I won't edit them. I'll leave them there for you to pick at. All of the information I provided was true, I made NONE of it up. And in regards to, "Why would I say anything at all, if I didn't know what goes on, and what the Regulations are?": You haven't provided any proof that you know what you are talking about. I have. I gave proof by posting the answers I got directly from the TSA's provided telephone number. Do what you want. I don't really care. If YOU want the TSA goons to have full access to your high priced NFA toys so they can finger f**k them, be my guest. I, and most people that DO care to keep the TSA's grubby little fingers off of my NFA and non-NFA toys will use regular locks. So step down, keyboard commando. And do NOT call me a liar unless you have proof that I have lied. You do NOT have that proof, so STFU. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

So now you're going to call me a liar, stating that you're sure I "probably did not" receive any answers from the TSA, "other than the ones I provided."?! Here's the link to the TSA "Contact Us" page: Contact Us I called the number listed for the TSA Contact Center Travel Assistance (1-866-289-9673) for concerns with Travel Tips, Permitted and Prohibited Items, etc. You want to call me a liar on that too? They told me exactly what I told YOU in my post above. I contacted them immediately after I made my claims, and was on hold waiting for an agent for 9 minutes (not long at all). They answered my questions with no reservations or hesitation, and were very polite and courteous. So you're going to call me a liar, and say that I DIDN'T do the things I said I did? I guess you can do that, sitting behind a keyboard, spouting off whatever you feel like spouting. My proof is right there, posted a few posts up. Direct from the telephone number listed on the TSA.GOV website. Liar? Have some class. I posted in this thread because I believe (and BTW, so does the "ficticious" TSA agent that I didn't get ahold of, according to you) that the use of TSA approved locks isn't needed when dealing with firearms cases, due to the fact that they're inspected right there in front of you, run thru the TSA's big x-ray machine, and given an "okay" right then and there. I have done the leg-work necessary to provide proof for my statements. All you have done is call me a liar, and I take offense to that. I could care less what a keyboard commando such as yourself thinks of me, but I DO feel warranted to defend my position, as I've done. I never claimed the person I spoke to on the telephone made policy. I only claim that they told me what they told me. Calling me a liar. What is this, grade school? http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Let me get this straight. I just called the TSA directly, got confirmation of my information DIRECTLY from the agency that makes the policy, and *I* am STILL wrong?! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif I tell you what. YOU provide me with proof (as I just did, via talking to the TSA DIRECTLY on the telephone). I can re-call, ask for supervisors, etc. if needed. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (LIONHART @ Mar 14 2005, 03:47 PM) NOPE! Look, the TSA Personal DON'T CARE on how they treat your baggage, or anything else for that matter. It's much easier for you to have a TSA Lock in which they can open, rather than being possibly delayed or having your Existing Lock broken. The TSA can inspect at any time, without permission from the Owner, once the items are checked. Having a Lock that can be opened by the TSA without damaging it, is far better than having a different Lock being destroyed. Which is better? If ANY TSA Personal want to go through your belongings for whatever reason they can, so why would it bother you having a TSA Lock? If a TSA Baggage Handler want's to look at a Firearm for kicks, he can do so, WITHOUT YOU BEING THERE. You have NO control at that point. Sorry... You are incorrect. The TSA has NO obligation to find you asking to open your Firearms Case. You are also incorrect to suggest that the TSA handles Firearms Cases differently than standard baggage. You are also incorrect to recommend regular Locks for the reasons specified above. I just got off the phone with the TSA. Their recommendation? Regular locks, as there is no need to re-inspect the firearms case once it has been inspected by the counter agent, as well as run thru the TSA x-ray machine and given an "okay" by them. I specifically asked about having to "re-inspect" after the TSA runs it thru the x-ray machine, and was told that this should not be necessary. If it WERE necessary, their regulation is to locate the passenger, and have him/her present during inspection, having provided the key to open the firearms container. While this has been my feeling all along (I researched this issue before I started flying with my CCW), it's good to hear it from the horse's mouth. In summary: Use TSA "approved" locks if you'd like, but I'm sticking with my FAR more secure padlocks, as per TSA regulations. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Edit: The TSA can NOT look at my firearms just for kicks, if I'm not there. It's on their website, under the regulations that I quoted 4 posts previous. It seems YOU are incorrect, as I have received the information from the source (TSA telephone call)

QUOTE (LIONHART @ Mar 14 2005, 02:11 PM)TSA sells a lock that can be opened by any TSA Personal using a Master Key. This is advisable, as in some situations, a passenger could be pulled off the Airline to provide a Key, should the TSA Personal decide to inspect the Contents without destroying the Customers Lock. However, it should be noted that the TSA doesn't need authorization once the Case is accepted into Baggage. Most often, the Locks will be destroyed, and the Case will be Taped Up. It's advisable to just obtain a Lock from the TSA to prevent being pulled from the Airplane, thus causing the Passenger to loose their flight, or having their Lock destroyed. My understanding from the TSA website, as well as from other sources is that TSA approved locks are "recommended by the TSA" ONLY for standard baggage. The TSA won't break locks on firearms cases (again, from what I've read). Do bags get inspected multiple times during a flight (say with connecting flights)? It seems to me they are inspected when you bring them to your originating airport, and that's it. TSA would not need to open the cases once YOU and the ticket agent escort them to the TSA screening area. After the TSA puts your firearms case thru its x-ray machine, it's on its way to the cargo area, and inspections are done. Why on earth would you want to put readily openable locks on your high-dollar NFA firearms (hell, on your regular firearms)? Easy access for TSA goons? Firearms cases aren't treated the same as regular baggage until they have been screened, inspected and secured. Once that is done, the TSA has no reason to open the cases. Again, if the TSA needs to re-inspect your firearms case, they will FIND YOU, then you must provide the key, remain present during inspection, and re-take possession of the key when inspection is complete. TSA locks with a master key are NOT required (since they won't break these locks) and IMO not recommended.

Hi! New here but I fly with firearms whenever I fly. The information provided here is all good, but I will take issue with one point. To the poster that said to use a TSA approved lock, I hope you meant just a secure lock, and not one of the ones with the "master key" that TSA empolyees can open. The TSA website only mentions these "TSA locks" in reference to regular baggage. Their "Transporting Firearms and Ammunition" page only mentions that the case must be LOCKED, and that "The passenger must provide the key or combination to the screener if it is necessary to open the container, and then remain present during screening to take back possession of the key after the container is cleared." My advice (and what I do) is use a GOOD STURDY case (I use Kalispel cases) and GOOD keyed padlocks. If they need to open the firearms case, they will find you and you will be present during any inspection. Normally, you demonstrate that your weapon is unloaded at the ticket counter, you fill out your little orange tag, place it in the case, and lock the case. Then you are escorted to the TSA screening area (with the new x-ray machines), the agent tells the TSA guy that this case has a firearm(s) in it, and you remain there while they run it thru the x-ray machine. They give you a thumbs-up, or some other "okay" sign when they're done x-raying, and you are then on your way to your gate. Again, please do NOT USE "TSA Accepted and Recognized" locks to lock up your firearms.

QUOTE (Nineteenhundred @ Mar 12 2005, 11:01 AM) IMA sells thompson "nose" demills. They call them receiver fronts. Follow this if it works, otherwise go to their site and search Thompson. http://www.ima-usa.com/advanced_search_res...n_description=1 No pics of them are available on that site, unless I just couldn't find the pics. I found the entry to purchase the item, but not a picture of it.

The Colt-style 9mm AR15s (which I'm basing the build on) use double-stacked Uzi mags (feeding alternately from the left and right) and standard AR15 mags also alternately feed from the left and right. I'm constructing a custom mag block to work with the Thompson mags (much like the Colt style 9mm one), that includes a separate feed ramp leading up to the chamber (much like the colt 9mm one). So double-stacked mags work just fine. The magazine on a Colt style 9mm AR is positioned mid-magwell, hence the feed ramp that is included on the mag block. This is why I asked for PICTURES of the "bullet track" on a Thompson SMG. Thanks for the input, though. Could anyone who owns a Thompson SMG provide these types of pics? I'd be most appreciative. Thanks again in advance! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Edit: Greasegun mags are far too wide to fit in an AR15 lower (the Thompson mags are too wide also, but still not as wide as Greasegun mags). I have modified the magazine well by milling out enough clearance to accept a Thompson mag, but the Greasegun mags would require me to mill out even MORE of the mag well, resulting in paper-thin mag well walls.

...of their Thompson's feed ramp/chamber/bolt area? I'm currently building an AR15 in 45ACP caliber, using Thompson SMG mags. I'm having troubles getting the rounds to feed correctly (they keep nosing up, and missing the chamber). I was hoping to get some ideas from how the Thompson feeds. Basically I'm looking for pics of the round's track from the magazine, INTO the chamber, and also how the bolt inteacts with the round when stripping it from the magazine. ANY and ALL help anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much in advance! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif