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That IS the lebman Winchester 1907 in Tucson This is my good friend , the late Sheriff Ernie Hudson's son, holding both Dillinger Winchester 07s recovered in Tucson. Second picture is my Dillinger Tucson copy I built. I'm certainly not the only one interested and involved in the history ( outlaws & Lawmen) and respect for the Winchester 351. OCM

Good job, great gun. Lot of us enjoy them, some in the past too. OCM

Jim, beautiful weapon as discussed- What are the markings on the butt stock ?

Those were the SVDM Thompsons I believe, the MP28 was there for some reason that I can't remember but this was discussed on another thread and identified. Gijive or one of the SVDM historians may chime here and clear this again. This was something to do with the Calvin Goddard research I think. Sorry to be so vague. OCM

Might just contact PK, he can set you up with what you need. Don't have his email in front of me. I've bought springs, buffers etc from him, no brainer.

Back in the 80s I think it was a TV movie came out with Rod Serling as the spokesman, I think it was The Last Days of Dillinger. I've mentioned Joe Pinkston from time to time, an old friend and the author of Dillinger A Short and Violent life, one of the best books on the subject. Joe was cast as an extra in this program, in front of the Biograph. He's wearing a straw hat and accidentally runs into another extra, but just briefly right out front. Bill Helmer borrowed the original studio tape from Joe and sent it to me. The tape was like 3" wide, odd thing. I had a copy made from that tape, still have it somewhere. All this chatter made me think of that, a actual video of Joe. Probably find it on YouTube these days Spoke to soon, 1971 Appointment with Destiny, last days of John Dillinger. Just searched it, can play it on one of the Google search sights. Interesting little program, free to watch if interested.

Man, you always turn up the most interesting stuff, Mike. What a collection you must have. To roll over to another old classic movie, "Guns Don't Argue". When you watch this crazy film, you'll think someone spiked your popcorn with pot ! ( no, not, Refer Madness ) . The production, actors, props are unbelievable.... Unbelievable in a different way. Like to hear Mr. Hammer's comments on this one. I had the double feature drive- in poster for Killers All and Guns Don't argue. NOTE: I may have the title of these two mixed up as It's been probably 25 years since I've seen them, correct me if I'm wrong, Mike or anyone. The one I'm talking about has different gangsters in it, Ma Barker, Dillinger, Bonnie & Clyde all mixed up together- Use the same 40s Buick or Cadillac in all the scenes, over dramatic death scenes and killing, shot in what looks like a gravel pit. Totally insane !

We did quite an extensive report on the ambush, in the 90s.( It's Death to Bonnie & Clyde). Visited the ambush site, took measurements, used an exact model Ford, as theirs with timed sequences and all, crawled all over the original death car and came up with the report that was published in a couple journals. However there is always some other versions and opinions on exactly what happened, we were very close tho, without the use of a Time machine. Doesn't seem to matter much anymore, long time ago, extremely fun research for us anyway. Jim Knight's book, Bonnie & Clyde a Twenty First Century Update, has a good account of this with reference in the Endnotes about our report. Also the full report was published in the Oklahombres, On The Spot magazines, the Dallas Texas Century . In case you ask. Mike am looking forward to seeing this, then YOU can start selling YOUR autograph ! Haaaaaaaaaaaa OCM

CJL wasn't there, we had been BSing about the photo online, mainly the Monitors sitting there. Always a mystery where the photo came from and who took it, where the guns went etc. We had discussed if you ran into a barn and found this pallet sitting there, what would be the legalities to deal with them. Devastating I would imagine. I wouldn't be a hog about it, just the R-75 and 3- R-80s is all and letters to Sing Sing......

Now there's some nice weapons and some proud men- the guy in the front right looks like an old fart, the " John Wayne type " in the group. Teach these boys how it's done.

Outstanding.... You NEED to be in it. Yes PLEASE keep us posted.

I've had this similar photo for sometime now, have gone over it with CJL a couple times, believed it to ( probably) be the Argentina 7.65 mm Monitors in the group. A R-75 sitting there and a couple WWII BARs. Notice the guy's leg there next to the pallet, in fatigues & boot. Argentina military ? Mass of rare parts. OCM

Peggy Cummins, female star of 1950 movie Gun Crazy , dead at 92. This was loosely based on Bonnie & Clyde. I'm sure Mike Hammer can add to this, but an old classic. I've seen it multiple times. Used to have the poster to this movie, a double feature at the drive-in. OCM

That's a great story of Nelson with a Monitor in Lebman's basement, in the book G-Man. Story is a little off from reality, but a good read.......I've seen a news video showing Lebman's basement under the saddle shop. Firing a Monitor there would likely blow your ears out and cause some interesting reactions up in the saddle/boot shop.

As mentioned, I donated a lot of stuff to the B-29 museum in Pratt Kansas. I haven't contacted them in awhile, I should, and ask about the Thompsons in B-29s. Dad's 29 came out of Omaha, same with the Enola Gay, no connection, just same place. He had massive training in VHB, mainly the 17, then put in for the 29 Commander. I have a 8X10 photo of him, with his crew and his 29 all autographed by the crew. This was a common thing they did at Pratt. You can see it on their web page . Still have his massive flight log that I wanted to keep, Tinian, Siapan etc. Hoping the " kids " will want it some day, unfortunately they don't seem interested in that time. Can't blame them, need to move on.

The next larger hole in my belt.

I wasn't even born till after the war, my first car when I was 14 was a 1957 BMW Isetta. Made in Munich. Love Germany.

I've seen not long ago, a guy demonstrating the B-29 50s set up on a remote stand, this was just a year or so ago, might of been on the restoration of " Doc" . Pretty advanced system. As I recall the main gunner in the top blister could control the entire system or pass it off to another station. I think it said the computer could follow the guys eyes and automatically correct for windage, speed and stuff. Dad said the tail gunner had the worst position, all stuck back there by himself, however flying a B-29 in the war, everybody had a bad position. Most of these guys are gone, sadly how it is. Till the day he died, he's never owned a Japanese or German built car. Different time now.

Paul Tibbets carried cyanide tablets in his pocket, for each crew member, in case the Enola Gay went down... Nobody I guess was told this, prior to the take-off. Japanese capture wasn't pretty they say. I'm sure none of us were in war.

Gary- You got pictures of the receiver, both sides, also pictures of the gas cylinder ( regulator) side & front and barrel end . Top of the gun would be nice too, with SN and all, unless you don't feel comfortable showing the SN. Even if these are " sales" picture before you receive the gun. Lucky guy- OCM

July 22, 1934, Biograph, Lady in Red etc.

I got a couple of the L drums, way back when they were 90 bucks. My buddy did to. ( Taiwan) He had brought his over to have me grease his, still in the normal cardboard box. Both were pre greased, found that a bit odd, all run super. One of these days I'm going to pull out my Stanley drum, see what happens. I've never shot with it. It has a very small dent in it, I need to do a dry run with it, see if the rails run smooth.

I disagree with the final statement that these are the most historically significant Thompsons .... Colt Chopper has leveled that playing field AND in private hands. I got dizzy reading the description.

Jim C nailed a GOOD one, be fun for you guys to compare & I have some questions on the weapon- Historically that is. Out of state journey. Class III to Class III I assume. 18 Winchesters rules , not even in IMHO, they rule. WAIT, forgot the Monitor. OCM

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