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Good Job ! Yes, pictures for sure, even pre-possession ones as gonna be a year- OCM

Jim, Here's a photo of Matt Leach's car, don't see any radio type equipment on it. From my experience, most of the 1930s police used Call Boxes . A common one was the Gamewell Call Box. One of my Indiana retired cop Pals still has the key to one and had used one a number of years ago. The police could receive a signal, sometimes on a red light above the box, to call in. The cop would open the box and crank a handle and talk directly to the Police station. They may have, but I don't recal,l hearing of two way communications, used commonly in police cars. Lot the the cops in those days supplied their own weapons. I'm guessing the two way communications became more standard in the 50s. OCM

From a friend of mine that's a retired Indiana State Police officer, worked for my buddy Ernie Hudson for years as his Deputy. I asked him about this, this is his response- Good story. OCM The State Police museum on 21st street in Indianapolis probably has then ame of all Troopers killed in the line of duty.They used to have. They read it every year on the day of our showdown inspections. I don't know if they still do that or not.It is a place to start.The Brady gang was pretty active in Indiana at about that time?At that time troopers did not have partners,still don't.Back then one trooper might patrol 4 or 5 counties alone.They did not have radios as we know them today.They had receivers in the car.The post would put out dispatches blind ,but the trooper could not answer.Trooper had to drive until he found atelephone and then phone the post and tell dispatch he heard the dispatch and get the rest of the details.Then that trooper MIGHT be 5 counties away from the incident. My father was a deputy in about 1944 and even then he did not have a 2 way radio,just a receiver. I don't know when the state Police issued the 351's but by 1960 they had quit doing so.Some of the old guys still had them in 60 but they called all of them in in about 1962 or so. So there are some holes in the story but it may well have happened.Best I can do..

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! looks like he's found a bunch of Baby Face Nelson shells.

AND.................... the sound of the Loons. Muskie fishing , Friday night fish frys with Walleye, blueberry pancakes, seeing Colt Chopper everywhere with a White Metal Detector. Beautiful area.

Sister in Law has the hub & I think the 50s. I have the engine ID plate. The 1911 was stolen in Omaha along with his Woodsman back in the 60s. First pistol I'd ever shot. ( Damn) I was going to send the wheel hub to Pratt, Kansas but they said they had quite a few . In one of the photos of the old man flying the 29, he's sitting there in the pilots seat and the HUB is missing on the wheel. Haaaaaaaaaaaaa. Might of been a common thing to take as the Pratt Museum had a bunch.

I've wondered why Jim didn't want the ejection port cover, that's a big part of the Monitor, as is the huge muzzle break. ( length too of course) . In talking with the guys at OOW, they did make a Monitor and sold it for 20K, wondering if this was part of the Ballou project ? I guess Julia could back out of the " World Record " verbiage by saying this was a Reproduction model , the only one . Oh well.

You win , Hammer. The bar, to the left of the entrance was built in 1936. Damnit, I thought that would be a stumper. Little Bo was a fairly popular place to visit, with the Dillinger activity, till the war hit. After the war my parents would fly up there to visit friends, who owned ( and still do ) homes up in the area, in a 2 seat " Airknocker " Chief. When my brother & I got older we'd drive up there every year ( mid 50s).

Full Auto 45, What you have is one of the CC type drum carriers that are used by the people that work for Colt Chopper carrying his C&L drums around to shows and all. You can see these in use on the History Channel's program; Baby Face Nelson & Me coming out I think, this Spring. In the program it shows Mrs. L. Gillis showing 5 young ladies the proper etiquette when carrying these at shows. It's a different program for a lot of people.

Yep, Doc, couldn't remember. Thanks. Not Gus. My Dad's 29 was Peace on Earth , one of two named that. Had a naked girl sitting on the World. There is actually a film of him in the 29 on Siapan or Tinian taxing out. It's an old program about nose art. Can't see him in there tho, just black inside in the shot.

From the above photo I posted: Here is a question for the Dillinger outlaw historian experts- A hard one ( maybe). Not counting the automobiles, how would one know this was 1937 . Why not 1934 after the Little Bohemia Battle.? Or later that year or say 1935 the next year ??? Grand opening of the Dillinger Museum at Little Bo- Dillinger SR was there too. Emil and John Sr had a little business going on this. These are original pictures I had in the collection...... Winner gets to meet Colt Chopper & the Nelson gun and do a C dump. OCM

Sheriff Hudson had visited the Racine PD, a number of years ago. The young officer that met them , started by saying the Thompson was captured in Texas- As you know, this is the way this era is going. I had loaned some things to the Gerald Ford Museum for a history thing they were doing for a year. Dillinger's bullet proof vest, Bonnie & Clyde's death hats, family photos things like that ( replica BAR scattergun). President Ford was kind enough to send me a personal letter, thanking me for the items. In part he said it was nice to show the kids on tour, things about American history that aren't in the history books. When I first visited the John Dillinger Museum at the Little Bohemia Lodge I was about 9 years old. It was then housed in the Baby Face Nelson cabin next to the lodge. I remember not understanding what it was really about , this was just some bad person. Bet the kids at the Ford museum may of thought the same. Like the Wicked Witch of the West, " I'm fading, I'm faaaaaaaaading " Haaaaaa OCM

It is sad- Probably FIFI but there is another 29 flying now, I think it's Gus. one of my books states they would send like 700 29s off to Japan, towards the end of the war- Imagine that sound. " Fire from the sky, the likes the world has never seen before " Truman's last threat before the Enola Gay took off. I was a bit excited when I found out Dad had a Thompson on board his B-29. He seemed to care less, just another piece of killing equipment in case they ditched. I don't know if it was a standard thing on all 29s, assume so as they had to check out on it. He did say when they got in the air they had to " clear the 50s " and it sounded like all hell was breaking loose. He did lose his hearing later on in life, but pictures show him flying along with a Chesterfield, smiling and no ear protection. Tinian to Japan and back was like 14-15 hours. Ouch ! Dad brought back the steering wheel hub on his 29, that I still have, the engine ID plate, a Colt 1911, 5 empty 50 cal shells in a link. Wonder how many Thompsons were brought home too............Not here.

Hi Mike, got that book too. Dad didn't talk much about the time with the 29 or the war. Got some good photos tho, one of him here flying the 29. Some from Tinian. He said they weren't allowed to go over in the area where the Enola Gay was parked, they knew something was going on. I donated all his war records to the B-29 Museum in Pratt, Kansas where he trained and flew from. Going off subject, sorry. OCM

My Dad was a B-29 Pilot, stationed on Tinian in the Pacific Ocean, Mariana Islands. My brother went there on a dive trip and picked up some local produced books while there. This was probably 8 years ago. I just noticed today a picture of some Marines routing out Japanese stragglers from a bunker on Tinian. One guy up front has a Thompson with a vertical grip attached on a horizontal forend . JUST IN CASE you WWII guys have not seen it, here it is. If you have, here it is again Speaking of the B-29, my Dad said his ( and him) crew had to check out on the Thompson they carried on board, but never used it or thought much about it. He did bring back his 1911 tho. OCM

Here's a picture of it , at the Tucson arrest, 1934- Third from the right without the butt stock. It was taken by Makley, at the Racine robbery, November 20,1933. The Thompson, # 3363, was brought to the robbery, without the butt stock, by Racine PD Sergeant William Hansen. Two months later they got it back in Tucson. ( short loan )

For us, Untouchables " trumped" Combat for TV popularity. Can't remember the time frames tho, did watch Combat too, of course, Whirlybirds , Highway Patrol etc.

Ron, Luca Brasi swims with fish ! OCM

Glad people can see & enjoy this stuff, I've added another picture and copy to the story. BTW, if you didn't know it, the Makley Thompson is on display at the Racine PD. Unfortunately the internals are now GI. OCM

Little piece of interesting history I guess- Found a letter sent to me by Ursula Patzke. She was one of the hostages the Dillinger gang took, at the Racine bank robbery in Nov 1933. I got to know her through the collection and all. She happened to be an extra in the TV movie Dillinger with Mark Harmon also. Anyway, I had asked her about her 45 minute ride with the gang in a 1933 Buick model 90 7 passenger sedan with jump seats . This is the same car I have now, but not the one the gang used. This is where Makley picked up his 21/28 overstamp Thompson that was recovered in Tucson. This is the second page of a letter she sent me starting about what Dillinger's voice sounded like and then some other stuff about her ride. In other phone conversations with her she said she was scared to death. She sat in the middle backseat with Pierpont on one side Homer on the other, Russel Clarke was in a jump seat, the other jump seat folded down covered with money bags. Dillinger was driving, Makley in the passenger seat giving get-a-way directions from a map they had made and the new stolen 28N Thompson. So, here's the letter and the 1933 Buick get-a-way car ..( mine, not John's ) OCM Note: I should add that the Racine Bank President, Grover Weyland was in the backseat too, sort of sitting on Leslie Homer's right leg, next to Ursula. The picture I've added is the shoelaces that Pierpont used to tie Miss Patzke to Mr. Wyeland to a small tree after they let them off in the country. Ursula had kept them in a scrape book with newspaper clippings and such.

Hacksaw- Like to see them. if you can send a photo. I've got a 21 rd 45 ACP magazine I got from some company, so damn cheap I would never use it, just for static display with my Lebman Colt mini.

if you run into Colt Chopper at the SARS, he knows CJL, who knows a lot about the police weapons. Think they are both there - When you go to the line at room 665, in the main area, where CC is, say you know " littleton" that's a code word to get you in . Tell Mike, his butler-man, you are here to see " Marvin Gillis" Good luck.

H- Let us know what you turn up. CJL has the Henwood book, but I think a lot of those guys are at the SAR show. It does refer to something about the French models, but not that I remember about an extended magazine. That photo that Jim sent , yes you can see where it was modified in the middle with a extra strap or something. The Dillinger -Lebman 07s in Tucson, show no signs of select fire. I would image when you torched that ting off, it'd leave a rather wide pattern fast. Jim can probably speculate about that as he's the resident expert along with CJL. My Dillinger clones are extremely accurate. Prost

That Book case is stunning, as I remember, Henwood doesn't mention that one in his book. I've never seen one up close, looks like it holds two rifles, didn't know that. The 07 pictured is a later model Winchester I think that started in the late 40s or early 50s with the curved charging tip. ( big improvement ) . Hans, I think I know where you're going on the extended magazines, Henwood refers to the magazines as factory Winchester 5 & 10 rd magazines. The Lebman ones recovered in Tucson show 10 rounds when captured, long gone now. I've never seen any indication that Lebman messed with magazine building. The Colt minis, I think you discovered , were Monarch, along with the Lebman builds. Since it appears that Van & Les sourced out a lot of weapons from Lebman, via Wolf & Klar, most appear to have factory magazines, but guessing mostly the 10 rd version, which would give a healthy RPM in a F/A 07. As Jim C mentioned at one time," a waste of 351 ammo probably" ( or something like that ). Gangster toys. Same with the Colt minis, but if Nelson has one, John has to have one too. Good chance Dillinger never even fired his. OCM

Usually clarity of the image, detail. This gets lost with each generation. Guy in Australia had one of the originals from the original molds. Mine you could even see some of the old suture scars from his plastic surgery and some skin detailing like the pores. Very clear. Nothing on the back.