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  1. UPDATE: Got back my results from the Freedom of information act. They had every bit of paperwork on my Colt Thompson including the original entry into the registry but the for NAC-45 just the last two form 4s which I already had. All I can say is the NFA registry must be really messed up, I am no further forward but I wanted to let anyone who was interested how it went
  2. Maybe I can convince Greg to build my thompson travel case. http://www.magpul.com/case/1921case1.jpg http://www.magpul.com/case/1921case2.jpg http://www.magpul.com/case/1921case3.jpg I was planning on having these made but due to the manufactures being out of state, I needed an exact model of the thompson to send for fitting. A redesign of the front fold down area has a piece that holds the thompson in place even if the case is upside down. The case is based upon the Louis Vuttion travel case which do not tip when open or empty- http://www.magpul.com/case/vutton.jpg
  3. The old thompson board is not "old" enough -it only goes back to 2003. It must have been the one before that- Post was titled something like "has anyone ever seen a thompson like this"
  4. Thanks for all the input guys. To quote Sherlock Homes- "once you have eliminated the impossiable, whatever remains however improbable, must be the truth. QUOTE I like your remark about other similar examples - something that Rich has referred to earlier. Anyone out there ever seen an M1 Thompson like Rich's? Actually the person who said they saw an NAC engraved and polished wood like this was about 4 years ago on the old thompson boards that were replaced by these ones (anyone know how to go back to the old locked boards?) If I recall correctly the version he saw was actually a 1928 with vertical foregrip but the engraving and wood looked the same. He was the only one to respond that he had see a gun like it and he explained the sales sample story. I have no first hand knowledge if this story is true but sounds reasonable enough. Again workers at NAC who did the transfer had no information on the gun's history when it was sold in 1963. The owner asked several times though (he had a romantic though it might have been made for some El Presidente who was deposed before the order was sent )
  5. QUOTE As far as your M1 having different internal features than a production M1, it would seem that since your Dough Richardson M1 production designed bolt works fine in the receiver, there can't be any significant alterations. Actually I was just looking for something that could id the receiver as a prototype or NAC build. A mark or special milling of some kind. Also can anyone answer the questions posed earlier- 1. Does anyone know if NAC had a history of making the key hole slot charging handle? 2. Were any commercial guns built with a key hole charging slot by any manufacture? So far the only other sighting is the M1 Prototype in American Thunder. As an incentive to the Colt guys to speak up -here is NAC45's big brother and he wants to know... http://www.magpul.com/pics/thomp2.jpg
  6. Thanks Arthur, The manufacture in the eyes of the NFA registry is the licensed manufacture (or individual back then) who adds the firearm to the registry (thereby manufacturing it in the governments eyes). An exception is during an amnesty the manufactures written on the receiver are those logged. This is why I suspect that the NAC Colt guns have NAC as the manufacture. Does anyone know? So the answer could range from being a complete prototype M1 receiver all the way to the other end of the scale of being a completely new NAC manufacture. Or maybe somewhere in between like a 100% machined receiver in the white with no markings. Everything else is speculating on Numrich's motives and actions. Does anyone know if NAC had a history of making the key hole slot charging handle? Were any commercial guns built this way by any manufacture? Did the prototype M1 receiver have any other internal differences? Anything else I should look for? Come on RKIs show your stuff.
  7. Weren't the completed colt frames registered as NAC as the manufacture as they were the ones who registered them? I don't know for sure so if anyone can fill me in then that would tell us a lot. One of the reasons I would lean towards a completed or semi completed receiver being found and put into service is the timelime when these sales samples supposed to be made and were put into service by NAC salesmen. This was at the very start of the company as NAC tried to build up the thompson brand. This also fits in with the timeline of when the gun was disposed of. Another thing is that I am unaware of other thompsons with this type of cocking slot outside of the prototype. Dealing with milling machines and the set ups that are required I would imagine that they would have produced at least 100 receivers like this to to make the production worthwhile. That said your guys know way more about this stuff than I do and if any RKIs want to inspect the gun for marks and such just let me know if you are in the Boulder Colorado area. I might even bring it to the SAR show in Dec if someone wants me to.
  8. Ok I dug out the paperwork that was with the guns (a whole folder of it) The original Form four is dated July 19, 1963 (approved for transfer in July 25, 1963!!!) "Numrich Arms Company Williams Lane West Hurley New York" is in both the Manufacture and Transferor boxes. The form four is transfering to the original owner that bought the guns from in 1998. The original owner said he did nothing to the gun but shoot it. It came from NAC as you see it, sans the bright bolt. Reading through a summary of the guns history he wrote out, he actually was in the process of ordering a 1928 from NAC but because of the delay in production they offered him NAC45. Being impatient he shelled out the extra amount and got NAC45 instead. He said a Basic Thompson back then was $200 or $225 with a compensator and he had to shell out a whopping $300 for NAC45 because of the finish and engraving.
  9. QUOTE Given the location of the slot for the cocking handle, I still believe this is a prototype M1 receiver. Given the low serial number, this is what I believe also. Another interesting this is that this gun was never advertised by NAC. The original owner, not wanting to shoot his Colt Thompson went to NAC looking for a 1928 shooter. They were out 1928s but as he was about to leave one of the guys said that they had an interesting M1A1 in the back and out came NAC45. Again the people at NAC had no information on the gun at all just a price.
  10. QUOTE NAC 45 appears to also be a Savage prototype receiver It is marked Bridgeport on the receiver rear, could it still be a Savage with these markings? http://www.magpul.com/thomppics/m1a1_8.jpg The sales samples story was that a handful of guns were prettied up for NAC salesmen to add a bit of "BLING" to the thompson brand not for any particular model. Good idea on the engraving I will look over it better. Hi Tom, I shoot NAC 45 whenever I get the chance (which is not often anymore) but come on up and I will get us in to the Boulder Rifle Club to shoot.
  11. Lower Serial Number is 323616 anyone have any info on that? I thought it was a Savage Frame but how do I tell for sure?
  12. After posting up some old pics of NAC-45 in response to this topic - http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invb...=3&t=2530&st=60 I promised to pull NAC-45 out of the safe and snap a few pictures with a better camera. Everytime I post on this gun I learn something new about it. Like the keyhole cocking slot and Caliber spelt Calibre. Upper reciever is marked Bridgeport, lower is Savage and the gun is registered with NAC as the manufacture. It was sold by NAC like this to the original owner with no explaination to it's purpose but some people said a few guns were done like this for NAC sales samples. My only addition is the Savage hand jeweled bolt bought from Doug Richardson a few years back to show off the cocking slot (the original is a blued Savage bolt which I still have). http://www.mediarev.com/nac7.jpg http://www.mediarev.com/nac6.jpg http://www.mediarev.com/nac5.jpg http://www.mediarev.com/nac4.jpg http://www.mediarev.com/nac3.jpg http://www.mediarev.com/nac2.jpg http://www.mediarev.com/nac1.jpg
  13. QUOTE RichFitz, That looks alot like this one someone sent me to put on my site a year or so ago Same gun, same person. I posted some pics a few years ago as a good friend wanted to buy the gun from me and I wanted to know the value. In addition to informing me of the unquieness of the piece (like the side keyhole charging slot) the board members correctly steered me into keeping the gun in my collection. It is on Form 3 and NAC is listed as the manufacture, so we are guessing that it was an uncompleted/unregistered receiver inherited by NAC. The original owner bought it directly from NAC (I have the original Form 4) as it is seen in the photos. At the time of sale NAC gave no info on the piece but other board members said 6 or so guns were done like this as Demo pieces for NAC salesmen. The pictures are quite old and taken with a bad digital camera. If members of this board are interested I will take some better pictuters this week.
  14. You guys know way more about thompsons than I do, but I do have "NAC-45" which looks like it started life as a Bridgeport M1 prototype reciever, then built up by NAC as a M1A1 with engraving and polished wood and used as a sales tool. http://www.magpul.com/thomppics/m1a1_8.jpg http://www.magpul.com/armory/m1a1_2.jpg http://www.magpul.com/armory/m1a1_1.jpg
  15. Ok I will move the mags and stock compartments around for better weight distrubtion. QUOTE Do not foget the correct color interior for a "Police Case" What is the correct color for the inside and outside? I was going to do one in Dark Brown Leather sides, Light brown trim, Light brown velvet insides and Shiny Brass hardware. The other I was going to do all black leather and hadware with gray or grayblue velvet inside. I am tempted to do bright red leather one for for some reason (JE Hoover? version) QUOTE looks to me like there is pleanty of room for xxx mags. I didn't even think of that -I will make sure it will fit them too. The guy building these says the handle can hold 50lbs is that enough? In any case I will have a few of these made up and see what they are like - Any one have an scale dummpy 1921 I can borrow for scale?
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