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Shooter,
I'm not a fixer per se but Merle sure is. Within two hours of talking at length about the problem he had modified his older kit. He actually came up with the "fix" while we were talking. He sent me his kit to test and I did last night. Although, his kit didn't run as slow as mine, the fix will in no way will rock back and forth or cause any exterior loss of blue. I easily could place a business card between the receiver and the bottom part of the cocking knob (which is now an actuator). Due to the design, it will not make contact with the receiver. Merle called me a short time ago and I am shipping his kit and my bolt to him for the "fix." Once I recieve it I will report and if allowed, will post pictures. I second Deerslayers comment about Merle taking care of problems. He is, unlike someone else who has a kit on the market.
On an earlier post I asked if anyone else had had the same problem but got no response, figured it was only me, which is typical for me.
I've seen/shot Knobcreeknut's 21 didn't want his or anyone elses to be a second. ChuckI second that about Merle! He fixed an issue I had with my .22 conversion kit. When I put the bolt in the receiver it fit fine, until you slid the bolt forward. When I slid the bolt forward it would bump the hole in the front of the receiver, cause it to push against the lower, and would bind. I compared the conversion bolt to the .45 bolt, and the conversion bolt was about 1/16th of an inch higher on the bolt nose. I sent my bolt/cocking knob to Merle, and within a few days, he had it fixed and running like a top in his gun. I should get it back in a day or two, so I will be glad to give a range report. Bottom line is this: If you have problems with this .22 kit, customer service will be excellent!!!
Rob
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I spoke with BDM also today, since I had not heard anything, and they said that they will be contacting those on the list within the next day or two. So for those who have not heard anything from them, don't panic, they should contact you soon.
Rob
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Are the kits actually shipping now. I was contacted by Merle, but not Kevin at this point. Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything.
- Ron
Ron,
As of early last week, I had not heard anything from Merle, or Kevin. I contacted Kevin to make sure I was on the list, and he said he would make sure I was. I haven't heard anything since then, but I assume they are going in some kind of order in contacting people. I will try to be patient, but I am so ready to shoot with this .22 kit!
Rob
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I have PK's contact info, but does he have a website, or product listing?
Thanks!
Rob
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It was my understanding that those on Merle's list would be contacted. I haven't heard anything from Merle or BDM, should I contact them? Just wondering if anyone else has been contacted.
Thanks!
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That drum addition would be welcome for sure- saw the video Dan made with the Thompson-
BDM website says this drum not work with anything else but the PPsH and not recommend for F/A.
Hopefully they will do their voodoo and make them work for AR's too and only require an adapter change between
different platforms.
Maybe Deerslayer will clarify, but when I spoke with him about a month or so ago, he said that there would be an adapter available (his prototype) for the PPSH drum to fit the Thompson. He designed it to take on and off with a wing nut, so you can use them drum to drum. As far as he indicated, it will work in full auto, with very little modification to the drum. I noticed a while back that BDM does have a PPSH drum modified for AR's as well.
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Seems high on all the items. As for the 27A, I spoke to Tracie Hill back in '06 to find out an approximate value of mine, and he said one had just sold for 40k that was in decent condition and original. In today's market, I would guess somewhere around 35k would be more appropriate. Just my .02
Rob
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I bought a 1921 actuator of e-gunparts.com for $75. However it did have some minor rust on it. Once you clean it up with the wire wheel and blue it the result if perfectly functional and looks fine.
It's kind of the same thing as what PK. was saying about the 1928 to 1921 conversions. For shooting purposes it's fine, but you will not win any awards for appearance.
So was actuator you received from numrich an original Colt made one, or reproduction? Did it have any markings anywhere on it? Just curious, I wouldn't think they would sell an original Colt one for $75 no matter what the condition.
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I thought I would offer my fellow board forum members first opportunity at purchasing an original 21 actuator, buffer, pilot and spring. I purchased these from Gordon a couple of years ago, and planned on using them in my Savage 28, but I enjoy shooting it with the slower rate of fire better. I also will throw in one of Gordon's replacement spring as well. Price is $1100 shipped.
Thanks!
Rob
Sold pending funds!
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I agree also, I would reactivate it in a M1A1 configuration to keep it original. Also, if you are going to do the reactivation work yourself, then you would fill out a form 1, but if you have PK do it, then you transfer it to him on a form 5, he reactivates it on an ATF form 2 ,I believe, then he transfers it back to you on a tax paid form 4. FWIW, I have seen the M1A1's in 28 configuration, and I think they look odd.
Just my .02
Rob
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Mine would be original except I have changed the barrel to reactivate it. the original barrel had a chamber weld to deactivate it. Savage 28A1 w/ Lyman adjustable site, finned barrel, comp, and original dulite finish (not much of the finish left)
Thanks!
Rob
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After seeing the recent post regarding broken blish locks, I decided to replace the Colt bolt group with GI and Wolff H.P. springs while I was replacing the buffers in my overstamp and 21ac.
The Colt overstamp pilot does not have the hole in the pilot like a GI does, making spring replacement a lot more aggravating to say the least. The 21ac was somewhat difficult, the overstamp was a lot tougher with the HP spring.
Patience and good eye protection is the key when doing this mod on Colts. While this monkey was XXXXXXX the football on the overstamp spring, it got away from this monkey and gave me a good shot in my eye protection. If I hadn't been wearing them, it would not have pretty.
-Darryl
Darryl,
If I were you, I would go ahead and replace the Colt pilot with a GI one, it is SOOO much easier to put the springs in with the hole in the pilot. Also, you reduce the risk of kinking your spring. Just my .02 since you are already replacing the bolt group with GI internals.
Rob
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there was recently on the boards a dewat 1927 semi auto thompson out of a new jersey police department that the owner filed a form 1 on, paid the $200 tax and reactivated. apparently, the method the police department used to make it "unserviceable" did prevent removal and restoration of the original barrel when the gun was reactivated.
I seem to vaguely remember that gun, wink wink! That dewat 27A was originally registered on a form 5 in the early 60's. Steve Karnes in California took the original barrel and removed the weld, and rechambered the barrel. My Savage 28 was deactivated in the same way, but I decided just to rebarrel it with a parts kit barrel. From what I can tell, it is rare that dewats before 68 were registered. Was it possible for a dealer back then to take a registered gun, deactivate it, then re-register it on a form 5? I'm just wondering if some collectors/buyers would want that due to the transfer tax? 0 dollars compared to $200 in the 60's would have been a big difference.
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I have taken some of the kids in our youth group shooting and like deerslayer said, you don't want to get too technical where it takes away the fun. I do make sure they know what to expect with recoil and muzzle rise, and try to show them the best ways to shoot the gun, but when it comes time for them to shoot, they tend to forget most of what you told them. The full auto grin they have makes it all worth while!!! I get more enjoyment out of letting others shoot my Thompson for the first time, than when I shoot it myself, especially when they are students or young people.
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Are you looking to buy one?
-Darryl
I'm looking at a Sile vertical front grip for sale that does not have the remnants of a swivel on the side of it. It's in a lot of Thompson stuff in an estate sale.
-Darryl
I wouldn't mind having another sile vertical grip if the price is right. Any idea when those were produced?
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Don't know about ur grip Q, but u sure do take some great pics. MikeJust wondering if anyone has seen a Sile manufactured vertical grip for 21/28 Thompsons? The Savage 28 that I own came with one when my dad purchased it from a dealer in the early 60's. The grip I have is stamped SILE in the gripmount area, and has two holes on the side where a sling mount could be attached.http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/ph...t=1928A1027.jpg
http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/ph...t=1928A1017.jpg
Rob
Thanks Mike, I am a photographer by trade. I really would like to know when the sile grips were made. Were they made for WWII guns or post war replicas?
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Just wondering if anyone has seen a Sile manufactured vertical grip for 21/28 Thompsons? The Savage 28 that I own came with one when my dad purchased it from a dealer in the early 60's. The grip I have is stamped SILE in the gripmount area, and has two holes on the side where a sling mount could be attached.
http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/ph...t=1928A1027.jpg
http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/ph...t=1928A1017.jpg
Rob
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Amen to that! Thanks to all who have served in the military who have given me the freedom to shoot my tommy gun, plus many, many other freedoms that we sometimes take for granted!
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So anything new on the conversion? Haven't heard anything in a few months.
Rob
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here is the ad for this gun as posted:
"very rare version of the Colt Thompson, this Colt Thompson was originally owned by the Camden, NJ police department, and has their #320 inventory stamp glued onto the receiver. This gun WAS a dewatted gun with a chamber weld, and the original barrel has been rechambered, and runs perfectly. I am not sure if this gun has been reblued, but if it was reblued, it was done before 1961 when my dad purchased it. All original Colt internals are included, but no drum or magazines. Other pictures are available if interested. Please e-mail for more details, or call (205)792-6325. Sale price is $28,500 or best offer. This gun will transfer out on a form 4 in Alabama, C&R eligible."
http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/ph...pg&newest=1
is anybody familiar with this gun?
I think someone here owns it.... Best time to call you?
Yes, this is a gun I am selling/ brokering for my mom. I will be available this morning between 8:15 and 9:00 CST, or this afternoon after 4:30 CST.
Most of the pictures available are on my photobucket account, but I can take some more if you want specific areas of the gun taken. From talking with Gordon Herigstad, this gun was one of 3 Colt 27A's that the Camden PD owned. My dad did not share info on his Thompsons, so Gordon was very pleased when I told him about this one. There is a recent article posted here about the Camden NJ Thompsons that has a photo of 2 of them, but only the patent date side of the receivers are shown.
http://www.dvrbs.com/PEOPLE/CamdenPeople-WilliamEKelly.htm
Thanks!
Rob
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I sure wish those photos showed the other side of those Thompsons, I have one of the Camden PD's Colt 27A's, and it has a 320 inventory stamp on the left side of the receiver. My dad originally purchased it from a dealer in Wisconsin in 1961. One of those two guns may very well be the one I own.
http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/ph...ommyguns004.jpg
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Has anyone tried to order springs from Wolff in the past few days? I have gone to their site several times over the past few days and tried to order, but when I clicked buy, the website timed out. Anyone else had this problem, or know what other source to order from?
Thanks!
Rob
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I received mine this week and it is an awesome case! I would not recommend putting loaded mags or drums in it either, when I put everything in my case unloaded, it was fairly heavy. Great job Gordon!
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Since some parts were damaged, would take a closer look at anything that effects extraction and ejection of the case.
If something slows down the extraction and/or changes the angles that the case ejects on, then you can have all sorts of issues.
If any thing in this area was replaced, sounds like the replaced part has to be still suspected due to the differences between your
firearm and a stock Thompson as indicated by the spring (plus any full auto vs semi changes).
- Could your extractor have been bent / weakened?
- Same for the ejector (is may have been displaced / bent / deformed).
- Any damage to the bolt face
- Any damage to the chamber (slowing down extraction can greatly change ejection).
I had a similar issue with my Savage '28 after a cartridge malfunction. After the malfunction, the gun would not eject the cartridges very far, and would sometimes turn the case backwards like yours and get stuck. I tried new bolts thinking it was the extractor, and it did not change, once I changed out the ejector, the problem was solved. After taking the old ejector out, it looked like it had gotten slightly deformed. It may not fix your gun, but it sounds like the same problem.

Black Dog 22 Conversion Kit
in Thompson Submachine Gun Message Board
Posted · Edited by photonance
My experience started out not so well, but ended very well. I received the kit, installed the bolt, and it would not fit correctly in the receiver. I explained my problem to Merle, sent the bolt to him, and he fixed it (no charge)and tested it in his gun. I received the kit back and it fit perfectly, and recently got to test it with the 30 round magazines, as well as the BDM PPS50 drum with an adapter that was produced by Deerslayer. I used blazer ammo, and the kit functioned flawlessly with the drum and the 30 round magazines. In my opinion, it is well worth the purchase, and it is awfully fun to shoot. The ammo cost savings is also a definite plus!
Rob