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  1. I wondered about the serial number location too. I do know it sold for $3500. I am not sure if that includes the Buyer's Premium. My thoughts were it would make a great SBR!
  2. I would hate to pay 38K for NO 598. First off, the exterior condition is terrible. I have a feeling it looks worse in-person than what the few auction pictures showed. The butt stock is probably not original and if so, heavily sanded. Same with like the grip. The fore grip has been sanded and is cracked. This Colt went through Numrich Arms so no telling what the internals look like. I do like the IRA provenance, but condition and originality are usually key to value. NO 598 is at best a shooter grade Colt with serious wood issues but with nice provenance and a fairly low serial number.
  3. Thanks Mike. We missed you at OGCA! What happened to Lot 1379, NO 598.
  4. Ron, You make a very interesting observation from someone who has owned a few Colt's. Perhaps we are seeing the same thing...or not. Who is Craig Jordon?
  5. morke, I am very appreciative that you asked questions about NO 992 on the Board, posted pictures, and allowed the many members to see a Colt with this many problems. The comments about originality or authenticity are why I jumped in this thread. NO 992 is the perfect example of how someone that does not understand the product can spend way too much money for a poor example of a Colt Thompson. That said, NO 992 is not a fake. It is an original Colt Thompson submachine gun - receiver. Unfortunately, most of the remaining parts that comprise NO 992 today are not original. And the finish on the receiver is probably not original. NO 992 is a shooter grade Colt. There is nothing wrong with a shooter grade Colt as long as one understands what they are looking at (or buying). In addition, there is a huge difference in value between a shooter grade Colt with many non-original parts, including the barrel, frame and at least two pieces of wood, and a Colt Thompson in original condition. However, if priced right, it may be the Colt for you. I would enjoy having a 3-digit Colt shooter - at the right price! All good stuff!!!
  6. Morke, The receiver is probably original. The finish is probably not original. The rest of the gun is mostly not correct, including the frame and barrel. It is a shooter grade Colt at best. Period. If you have my Amateur's Guide book, compare the pictures you posted to the original Colt's in the book. Read the captions. There is a wealth of information in the captions. You're not asking the right questions. If you do not have my book and are still interested in this Colt, be prepared to be very disappointed when the transfer is approved.
  7. morke, Thank you for asking for advice on NO 992. I am so glad you have not purchased NO 992 thinking it is original. I could do a clinic on this Colt. If you buy it, I want to take pictures to show the world everything that is wrong with it. I was not planning on another book, but to do a 20-page chapter on this Colt showcasing all that is wrong with it would be a real pleasure, to wit: At a fast glance I can tell you the barrel has 28 fins and the grip mount is on the 20th fin - definitely not Colt's. Note how far the buffer pilot sticks out the back of the receiver. I believe it may have a WWII actuator and buffer pilot installed. The magazine catch is definitely WWII. The case is a reproduction, probably the same for the long cleaning rod and the L drum is WWII. The frame may also be WWII. The 1936 catalog is a repro. The frame markings are not correct for this early of a Colt's and serial number has been removed. I have seen that type of frame serial number removal previously. I am thinking Numrich Arms but that is only a guess for now. I would have to do some research, not that it matters. My guess is NO 992 has been refinished. The grip and buttstock are not Colt's. The fore grip may be Colt's but probably refinished. I could probably spot 5 to 10 more problems if I had it in-hand or spent more time looking at the pictures. May I suggest you go to Amazon.com and purchase, An Amateur's Guide for the Colt's Thompson Submachine Gun. But more importantly, read and study what the book offers. It will be the best money you have ever spent if you are in the market for Colt Thompson submachine gun and believe NO 992 is original. I say that not to sell a book, but to offer something that may save you thousands of dollars in the future. I am curious about the price. If you do not want to post the asking price, I would appreciate a PM.
  8. For $59,950 I would certainly want some high-resolution pictures to review. This is the first step in determining if a trip to inspect NO 9407 in person is worth the effort and expense. Also, you really need to understand the product before you spend this much money. I am not saying NO 9407 is not worth the asking price, but there is a lot more to learn about this Colt. For example, the butt stock and L drum. I would also want to peek inside the barrel.
  9. My guess is since the Colt's used the word, "CALIBRE," Auto-Ordnance mandated Savage Arms continue the use for the Model of 1928s. Later, the Auto-Ordnance Bridgeport (AOB) factory adopted the same spelling on the 1928 models. When the M1 was introduced, the American spelling, CALIBER, was adopted. All just guesses...but fun to speculate!
  10. If the Waffenmeister 1928 actuator is cast steel, can it be as durable as a milled USGI 1928 actuator? I know the cast West Hurley 1928 actuators are junk. That said, can a cast part manufactured today be just as good as a milled part manufactured during World War II. I am also curious if the Waffenmeister 1928 actuator is manufactured to USGI specifications.
  11. I am curious if anyone has every removed the bluing from a USGI 1928 bolt. Since the in the white, bright or nickel Thompson bolts (you pick the term) seems to always sell at a much higher price than a blued bolt, it would seem the part dealers would do this all the time. Perhaps they do but I have never heard of it. I have always thought the "nickel" bolts were of a slightly different composition than the blue bolts, hence the need to blue or finish the bolt. There has to be a reason why an extra step (the bluing or finish) was added in the production of a bolt. Extra production steps cost money and time To me, the exterior of the nickel bolts seems to have a little exterior sheen. Is this sheen or look present if the bluing is removed from a blued Thompson bolt? I don't know the answer. These are just my thoughts on the subject. All good stuff!!!
  12. Thanks to everyone that took advantage of the special pricing offered by Amazon.com the last few weeks. While an unexpected surprise, unfortunately, the sale price is no more. I received my author copies on Sunday and will have copies available at the Ohio Gun Collector's Assocation (OGCA) show later this month. And at the Hill Family All Thompson Show & Shoot later this summer. If you want a personalized copy before then, send me an email at: tkd5501@fuse.net for payment information. Don't forget to send in your registration paperwork for the Hill family S&S. This is always a great time!
  13. I just received word that a Model of 1921AC Thompson will be on display and for sale at this event. If you are in the market for a Colt Thompson, this would be a great opportunity to inspect one in person and speak directly with the seller. The seller is well-known in The American Thompson Assocation so no worries there. This is former police department Thompson in very good condition. It is well worth the trip if you are looking for that perfect Colt. The seller will also have a 1928 parts kit for sale that he purchased years ago. This is not one of the more recent put together kits. We are going to have a great time!
  14. It appears there were hybrid Thompson fore grips like this used during World War II. I have no idea on the origin. That said, I do know SARCO made and sold a reproduction fore grip based on this design in the past.
  15. At one time, Numrich Arms or Gun Parts Corp had spare parts for the Lyman adjustable rear sight.
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