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  1. Merc321, Thanks for the update. If you will search on this forum for "Colt part kits" you will most likely find some information concerning value. I am sure you realize you can sell the entire kit all at once or part it out over time. The missing Colt actuator is an important part. Sturmgehewr.com is a great website for selling machine guns and parts. You will get a huge audience there. You could also consider joining The American Thompson Assocation (TATA) and attending the Hill family All Thompson Show & Shoot in early August this year in Ohio. The deadline is fast approaching for registration, and I do not know if a display table is still available. As a Thompson owner, I know you will have a great time and probably meet several interested customers for your parts kit.
  2. Merc321, Welcome to the Thompson forum at MachineGunBoards.com. This is one hell of a first post. MY research indicates NO 7005 was destroyed 20 years ago and sold as a parts kit along with another Form 10 Colt. Tell us a little bit about yourself and how you came to possess this Colt parts kit. Many of the forum members know each other and meet one or two times a year at the Thompson show and shoots. Or we know members that know other members and can vouch for them if a transaction were to occur. It is not often we see a near complete 20-year-old parts kit surface on the market. Yes, some of the parts are valuable to the right buyer, especially the barrel (if not ringed or bulged) and at least 2 pieces of the wood. But first you need to obtain permission from the Board owner, David Albert (dalbert), before officially posting anything for sale on this website. Again, welcome to the Thompson forum.
  3. I would guess all the senior employees at the FBI National Crime Information Center or NCIC are well versed in the system. Obviously, new employees take time to train but all in all, I think this program runs pretty well. You have to remember the old adage, garbage in, garbage out, when dealing with any computer system including NCIC. That is why investigators in the field will always go to the source of the NCIC information to verify and document if important to the investigation at hand. The information in NCIC is not really evidence, but it will lead an investigator to evidence. That said, when attempting to make a vehicle traffic stop and the dispatcher tells you NCIC reveals the car is stolen, you take the dispatcher at their word!
  4. Mk1992, It is great to know there are Thompson enthusiasts in Italy that can own the original Thompson submachine guns even with a slight modification to some internal parts. This insures more of these guns will survive in the years ahead and not be cut up into parts kits. Or simply destroyed. Good luck on finding a Model of 1928. Do you collect Thompson paper items from Italy? Like below:
  5. Contact forum member Phil Askew at philfordparts@yahoo.com. I believe he had some oilers for sale at the TCA Show & Shoot with all his other NOS Thompson parts. Phil will also be at the Hill Family All Thompson Show & Shoot.
  6. ranger1385, I have heard many stories like that over the years. There are many buyers that will not spend the time to learn about the different Thompson variations and the pluses and mines of each. The same types are in the automobile world, actually in all worlds! Years ago, this was more understandable. With the Internet today, there is no reason not to be patient and learn more about any product you may be interested in. Those that have my books know I write about the product, the Thompson submachine gun and its many variations. My first book, Great Britain - The Tommy Gun Story, is more of a history book but the rest display the many variations and tell about each one, usually from a collector or buyer point of view. The good news is your friend still has a valuable submachine gun that will allow him to trade up and get the Thompson gun he so desires...after he does his homework. For newbies on a limited budget, I always recommend the Auto-Ordnance Bridgeport 1928AC, the ones with the US ground off and the letter "C" overstamp on the number "1." I find this to be a great starter Thompson gun.
  7. Mk1992, Thank you for your response. I believe the Thompon submachine guns converted to semi-automatic only fire are also legal in Germany.
  8. signal_4, I have heard of that market and applaud their efforts. My thoughts are taking original Thompson submachine guns located overseas, professionally converting them to fire semi-automatic only and allow importation into the USA. Make an exception for the short barrel and sell as Title 1 firearms. Yea, I know, why wish for a loaf of bread when you could just as easily wish for the grocery store. That said, Thompson guns in this condition would be a big hit with Thompson fans, especially those who live in states that do not allow the ownership of machine guns.
  9. Mk1992, Thank you for posting pictures of your very nice M1A1 Thompson submachine gun. If we could own original Thompson guns converted to fire semi-automatic only, there would be a market for thousands of these guns in America. Yes, we can own the fully automatic versions with government approval, but the guns are very expensive, and the approval process can take nearly a year. Good luck on finding a Model of 1928A1. Do you know of any Colt manufactured Thompson submachine guns in Italy that have been converted to fire semi-auto only? If you do not already have a copy, a great book for M1A1 Thompson owners is, American Thunder, Third Edition, by Frank Iannamico. It is available on Amazon.com.
  10. I appreciated the nice comments at the TCA Show & Shoot and the Ohio Gun Collector's Assocation (OGCA) display show this past weekend. I still have a few books in stock, so I am bringing this back to the top. Thank you for all the support over the years.
  11. There is still a lot of uninformed owners and sellers concerning some of the short comings for the Auto-Ordnance West Hurley Thompson submachine guns. It may be the seller does not know the two-piece actuator is not made to proper specification and the cocking ears can fly off during firing. Or they don't care. Certainly, a smooth ball USGI or a Waffenmeister 1928 actuator would be an ideal placement actuator. Those familiar with the West Hurley Thompson guns can immediately tell the fire control levers and magazine catch on this Thompson are West Hurley cast parts. I would not be surprised if the two-piece buffer pilot has never been replaced. And that can be a serious problem! For the new members on the forum interested in the West Hurley Thompson guns, I suggest reading my 2011 Small Arms Review magazine story: https://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=224 An update to this story can be found in my fourth book, THOMPSON: Colt's, West Hurley's & More.
  12. 68coupe, Sorry, but I know very little about a BAR or a OOW 1918 SLR. I agree it is very difficult to install a 1928 recoil spring on a buffer pilot without a hole in the shaft. I have seen a number of Colt buffer pilots over the years modified by a hole in the pilot shaft. I don't think it is a deduction in value with this user modification because it makes the install much easier. Also, only the end of the buffer pilot is a visible when a Colt is on display. The early Savage buffer pilots were the same as the Colt's as per the first contract. This changed fairly quickly in the production. I would guess many of the early buffer pilots were modified or thrown away and replaced. I believe the British and Canadians, early customers for the Savage guns, published a modification bulletin for this issue.
  13. Bismo... There are a lot of scammers in the Class 3 community. Machine gun parts are expensive. The Thompson community is relatively small. Many of the members of this Forum meet with each other once or twice a year at the Thompson association shows and shoots. It is a great place to meet new friends with similar interests and find legitimate deals. Cash is always king face to face. Sometimes there has been a deal offered in one state and a forum member lives close by and can check out the seller. Other times a forum member knows the seller and can double check to make sure the deal is legitimate. I applaud your caution, above. Stay vigilant!
  14. Maine-iac, That is a very early Savage buffer pilot with the "S" mark on the side of flange. Note the axis holes or centers on the end of the pilot. I mistakenly called these axis hole bevels for many years until a master machinist schooled me as to what I was looking at. Is there a hole at the end of the long shaft? If not, the buffer pilot has not been modified. That said, it is common to find the early Savage (and all Colt) 1928 buffer pilots modified with a hole. If you observe enough of the early Savage or Colt buffer pilots, it is easy to tell if a mill or drill was used to make the hole. You definitely do not need a buffer pilot. Those with my first book, Great Britain - The Tommy Gun Story, can turn to page 136 to read about this early Savage buffer pilot.
  15. Maine-iac, If you do not find the letter "S" on the flange of the buffer pilot, do not use it as it may be an Auto-Ordnance West Hurley two-piece buffer pilot. These are dangerous as the rod and flange could separate when firing. You definitely do not want the rod flying out the back of the receiver when firing. If you need a USGI buffer pilot, Board member Phil Askew has some very nice ones in stock. Phil can be reached at: philfordparts@yahoo.com Phil also has NOS recoil springs, another spare part to consider. I highly recommend you contact Board member PK. and purchase a couple of his polyurethane buffer discs. He has two types, both are excellent. His email address is: p-k@q.com PK may take a few days to reply but it is well worth the wait. I would guess two polyurethane buffers are under 20 bucks.
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