Found A Awesome Tube Gun

[cag]

I found a AWESOME DLO tube gun, I have been told that this sten has not been shot since it was built! It is a MKII and it looks great, I think it is the nicest Sten I have ever saw!! I have only wanted a Sten for 25 years, the only reason that I was looking at the Mac's was having 2 guns in 1 when buying a 22 kit. How many of you all remeber seeing the Chrome Plated Sten's in the movie A Group of Extraordaniry Men, sorry for the spelling. I saw some where someone was selling new barrels for the MRII and sometime down the line I thing I will buy one and tread it for a fake can, I was thinking about putting a Eotec Halo sight on what ever I bought, but I wouldn't think of doing anything that would changethis gun.

If I get it I will let you all know!

Cag

[dalbert]

cag,

 

DLO Stens are very well made. You will not be disappointed. I've had mine since 1988.

 

David Albert

dalbert@sturmgewehr.com

[wwl]

cag,

 

DLO Stens are very well made. You will not be disappointed. I've had mine since 1988.

 

David Albert

dalbert@sturmgewehr.com

I have a C&R Long Branch STEN in beautiful shape. It is one of my favorite MGs to shoot. You will surly enjoy your new DLO STEN. Enjoy.

[cag]

Being on a C&R is your Long Branch NOT a tube gun? I know that I ask some realy dumb question and I will try to reframe from asking, I ordered the Machine Gun Guide and I hope it gets here soon. My deal fell threw on the DLO and maybe it is for the best??? I have decided to set back and sell my guns without giving them away save my cash and maybe around Jan. 2011 I will have the money to buy me a Sten. After a lot of thinking my First Sub Gun will be a Sten and then depending how long it takes me to get more funds I think I am going to buy a Mac so i can buy a 22 kit and that would give me 3 Sub guns for the price of 2 or just a little more.

If something happens and the price goes up on these guns there isn't anything I can do about it.

Happy Shooting!

Cag

Edited October 31, 2010 by cag

[wwl]

Being on a C&R is your Long Branch NOT a tube gun? I know that I ask some realy dumb question and I will try to reframe from asking, I ordered the Machine Gun Guide and I hope it gets here soon. My deal fell threw on the DLO and maybe it is for the best??? I have decided to set back and sell my guns without giving them away save my cash and maybe around Jan. 2011 I will have the money to buy me a Sten. After a lot of thinking my First Sub Gun will be a Sten and then depending how long it takes me to get more funds I think I am going to buy a Mac so i can buy a 22 kit and that would give me 3 Sub guns for the price of 2 or just a little more.

If something happens and the price goes up on these guns there isn't anything I can do about it.

Happy Shooting!

Cag

 

The C&R Long Branch STEN is not a tube gun and as it now stands no tube gun could be a C&R. How ever, a tube gun could have Long Branch parts and I suppose passed off as a Long Branch gun, as could any other tube gun with original parts.

[cag]

wwl,

I got to ask, is your Sten a Orginal Sten made in the UK? Is it a MKII ? There is a guy on another site that says there is only a hand full of the real MKII's ???? All I am trying to do is understand, I would have to believe if a person had a papered Sten from the UK it would have to be worth a lot more than a tube gun???

Thanks

CAG

[wwl]

wwl,

I got to ask, is your Sten a Orginal Sten made in the UK? Is it a MKII ? There is a guy on another site that says there is only a hand full of the real MKII's ???? All I am trying to do is understand, I would have to believe if a person had a papered Sten from the UK it would have to be worth a lot more than a tube gun???

Thanks

CAG

cag---My STEN is an original STEN, it was made in 1945 at the Long Branch arsenal in Canada. It was originally to go to the army of Nationalist China on Formosa, by the characters on the magazine housing. It is a MKII STEN. Unlike most British STENs it doesnot have welds showing but is beautifuly finished. My books tell me that there were about 3,000,000 STENs made in England and about 126,000 MKII STEN in Canada. There is no doubt that an original gun is worth more than a tube gun. I recall seeing tube guns at 4 to 5 thousand and British original guns at 8 to 9 thousand. I have not seen an original Long Branch in years. Hope this helps and I think your desire to get a STEN over a MAC is a wise choice. Also, the STEN is easily fitted to a silencer such as those that simply replace the STEN barrel. Good luck on your search and this is only my 2 cents worth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[wwl]

wwl,

I got to ask, is your Sten a Orginal Sten made in the UK? Is it a MKII ? There is a guy on another site that says there is only a hand full of the real MKII's ???? All I am trying to do is understand, I would have to believe if a person had a papered Sten from the UK it would have to be worth a lot more than a tube gun???

Thanks

CAG

cag---My STEN is an original STEN, it was made in 1945 at the Long Branch arsenal in Canada. It was originally to go to the army of Nationalist China on Formosa, by the characters on the magazine housing. It is a MKII STEN. Unlike most British STENs it doesnot have welds showing but is beautifuly finished. My books tell me that there were about 3,000,000 STENs made in England and about 126,000 MKII STEN in Canada. There is no doubt that an original gun is worth more than a tube gun. I recall seeing tube guns at 4 to 5 thousand and British original guns at 8 to 9 thousand. I have not seen an original Long Branch in years. Hope this helps and I think your desire to get a STEN over a MAC is a wise choice. Also, the STEN is easily fitted to a silencer such as those that simply replace the STEN barrel. Good luck on your search and this is only my 2 cents worth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[wwl]

wwl,

I got to ask, is your Sten a Orginal Sten made in the UK? Is it a MKII ? There is a guy on another site that says there is only a hand full of the real MKII's ???? All I am trying to do is understand, I would have to believe if a person had a papered Sten from the UK it would have to be worth a lot more than a tube gun???

Thanks

CAG

cag---My STEN is an original STEN, it was made in 1945 at the Long Branch arsenal in Canada. It was originally to go to the army of Nationalist China on Formosa, by the characters on the magazine housing. It is a MKII STEN. Unlike most British STENs it doesnot have welds showing but is beautifuly finished. My books tell me that there were about 3,000,000 STENs made in England and about 126,000 MKII STEN in Canada. There is no doubt that an original gun is worth more than a tube gun. I recall seeing tube guns at 4 to 5 thousand and British original guns at 8 to 9 thousand. I have not seen an original Long Branch in years. Hope this helps and I think your desire to get a STEN over a MAC is a wise choice. Also, the STEN is easily fitted to a silencer such as those that simply replace the STEN barrel. Good luck on your search and this is only my 2 cents worth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cag]

wwl,

Thank you, every time I talked to some one about Sten's i learn more. I have decide that I am going to buy a sten, I just hope that they don't go sky high in the next few months. The guy that I was dealing with offered to let me pay a little down and he would hold it for a few months, that would be a good deal except with my luck (BAD) I wouldn't be able to get the rest of the cash and loose my deposit! I have played with buying and selling guns and gun stuff for years never very heavy in to it but enough to make a little play money, since I became disabled that is the only way I make any play money, I want to forget Oct. that is the only month in 20 years that I lost money, had a 45 stole off my table at the last gun show and then I made a couple bad trade, but that is LIFE!! I have several nice guns for sale and i am not going to loose money on them just to move them, I am going to take my time get them sold and then I will have the cash to buy a Sten when I come across one at a fair price.

As I stated I am learning more every day, I don't know if anyone every built a tube gun that wasn't very good but lets say you do find one that is so so, can a person legaly change the tube? what is the cheapest Sten that you have seen for sale in the last year?

If there is something that I should stay away from, please let me know about it.

Later

CAG

[RoscoeTurner]

wwl,

Thank you, every time I talked to some one about Sten's i learn more. I have decide that I am going to buy a sten, I just hope that they don't go sky high in the next few months. The guy that I was dealing with offered to let me pay a little down and he would hold it for a few months, that would be a good deal except with my luck (BAD) I wouldn't be able to get the rest of the cash and loose my deposit! I have played with buying and selling guns and gun stuff for years never very heavy in to it but enough to make a little play money, since I became disabled that is the only way I make any play money, I want to forget Oct. that is the only month in 20 years that I lost money, had a 45 stole off my table at the last gun show and then I made a couple bad trade, but that is LIFE!! I have several nice guns for sale and i am not going to loose money on them just to move them, I am going to take my time get them sold and then I will have the cash to buy a Sten when I come across one at a fair price.

As I stated I am learning more every day, I don't know if anyone every built a tube gun that wasn't very good but lets say you do find one that is so so, can a person legaly change the tube? what is the cheapest Sten that you have seen for sale in the last year?

If there is something that I should stay away from, please let me know about it.

Later

CAG

 

 

You can change the parts on a Sten tube as long as when you get through the Sten tube is still a Sten tube. For example Sterling and MK5 conversions to MKII Stens.

 

Check out Sturm and Subguns for pricing. You can also find Stens on GunBroker from time to time, that is where I bought my last one.

 

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/

 

http://www.subguns.com/

 

If you have not already you may want to invest in Laider's The Sten Machine Carbine from Collector Grade Books.

[cag]

Hi Guys,

If I am wrong please tell me!! I had found a Sten MkII back in March that I was going to buy, but I couldn't get the funding, just by chance i called this guy today and ask him if he still had his Sten, and he said Yes, so we are working on a deal, I asked him if he needed or would take a trade in, and he said he was looking for a 9mm, I told him that I had a AWESOME SIG P229s in 40 cal, so he is thinking it over, if he decides he has to have a 9mm I am going to do my best to trade the 40 for a 9mm.

The way I understand it all LongBranch Sten's were made in Canada. If it is stamped LongBranch 1944 I asume that it was made at the LongBranch factory in Canada in 1944?? If this Sten is not on a C&R then it is a Tube Gun? So somewhere on this gun it will have a remaker s name?? I believe he mentioned it said DLO???

The welds are not as nice as the other DLO Sten I tried to buy! But it is nice, and if he decides that he doesn't want any trade I am going to see if I can send him a deposit on it giving me 30 days to get the rest.

I guess the best way to look at it is if it was meant to be I will get it.

I welcome any and all help!

Cag

[RoscoeTurner]

Hi Guys,

If I am wrong please tell me!! I had found a Sten MkII back in March that I was going to buy, but I couldn't get the funding, just by chance i called this guy today and ask him if he still had his Sten, and he said Yes, so we are working on a deal, I asked him if he needed or would take a trade in, and he said he was looking for a 9mm, I told him that I had a AWESOME SIG P229s in 40 cal, so he is thinking it over, if he decides he has to have a 9mm I am going to do my best to trade the 40 for a 9mm.

The way I understand it all LongBranch Sten's were made in Canada. If it is stamped LongBranch 1944 I asume that it was made at the LongBranch factory in Canada in 1944?? If this Sten is not on a C&R then it is a Tube Gun? So somewhere on this gun it will have a remaker s name?? I believe he mentioned it said DLO???

The welds are not as nice as the other DLO Sten I tried to buy! But it is nice, and if he decides that he doesn't want any trade I am going to see if I can send him a deposit on it giving me 30 days to get the rest.

I guess the best way to look at it is if it was meant to be I will get it.

I welcome any and all help!

Cag

 

 

You cannot go by what is stamped on the magazine housing, those can be swapped on all tubes, original or current production.

 

DLO is a tube gun. You can also ask if he will send you a copy of the F4 which will have all the information on it.

[cag]

Thanks Rosco,

I wasn't thinking about how parts can get swapped around with parts kits!! I don't have all the details I was told that he got this gun from a friend who past away and it was willed to him. I will try and get more info but I am not sure how to ask to see a copy of the form 4?? I am not for sure that it makes any difference to me who the maker was I don't think there is anything on them that I can't fix.

I am fond of the Eotec 552 halo sight, what I would like to know, is how bad would it degrade the value of this Sten that I am trying to buy if I drill and tap the top of the tube to put this sight on it??? If it will kill the value I will just shoot it the way it is.

I plan on keeping you up to date.

Thanks again for the advive.

Cag

Edited November 5, 2010 by cag

[RoscoeTurner]

Thanks Rosco,

I wasn't thinking about how parts can get swapped around with parts kits!! I don't have all the details I was told that he got this gun from a friend who past away and it was willed to him. I will try and get more info but I am not sure how to ask to see a copy of the form 4?? I am not for sure that it makes any difference to me who the maker was I don't think there is anything on them that I can't fix.

I am fond of the Eotec 552 halo sight, what I would like to know, is how bad would it degrade the value of this Sten that I am trying to buy if I drill and tap the top of the tube to put this sight on it??? If it will kill the value I will just shoot it the way it is.

I plan on keeping you up to date.

Thanks again for the advive.

Cag

 

 

When ever I buy a C3 from anyone I do not know before the deal is closed I ask for a copy of the paperwork.

 

You want to know if the Sten is C&R or simply transferable, makes a big difference in the value.

 

Any time you go screwing with a WWII type firearm putting on all the modern bling people seem to like you lessen the value. If you want a modern gun buy that type to begin with. Besides the tube material is thin and you would have very short screws holding your sight on because the screws cannot be long enough to interfere with the bolt sliding in the tube.

[cag]

Thanks Rosco,

I had thought about only having a couple threads to hold the mount, and I agree with you about detroying the value of a WWII peice. I am sure that this Sten is not on a C&R, I know nothing about the difference's of the Form 3 or 4, I was told it was on a Form 4 I do have the book that was suggested I buy and i just havn't read it page for page, I couldn't get lucky enough that this Sten was on a C&R. It looks like someone rigged a Stemple folding butt stock which I am going to replace with a orginal Sten butt stock I am not for sure what would of come on it I assume it would of been a T type??? I want to put the proper stock on it!

 

Rosco you have a lot of help to me, and I am great full!! I just hope that I have not abused the forum by posting silly my silly questions.

Later

CAG

[wwl]

cag-----I would always recommend that a copy of the registration paper {form 4 ,3 etc] be examined before buying any NFA weapon. A C&R gun is not what it is because someone says it is. A C&R gun is what it is because it fits the ATFE definition and determination. This is important for tube STENs with original parts sets and M2 Carbines. For example a Inland carbine converted to M2 would be called an Inland M2 as would an original Inland M2. My 2 cents says always see the paper work.

[cag]

Thanks wwl,

I never gave it a second thought!! I just assume because they are so regulated that there couldn't be anything wrong with it. If this guy has a scanner would it be okay to have him can it and email it to me, or should I have him photo copy it and send it in the mail??

Will the form that he has have all the info and transfers since it was first registered??

 

Do most people pay for the weapon right off, or do you pay half and then the rest when it get to my class 2 mfg? Since the gun is coming from out of state from a class 2mfg to a class 2mfg will there be a $200.00 tax to transfer from the owners dealer to my guy? How long does that take time wise? Since it is getting cold and will get colder the wait won't be as bad as if it was spring, I spend about 90-95% of the winter in the house.

 

I know that some of you guys are collectors and was wondering if a person can collect Stens ? I never saw a Sten Mk1, don't think they made a 4, and I havn't seen many Mk5 ?? I ask this because my back isn't getting any better it is getting worse, so I might end up selling most of my guns and other outdoor stuff and might and i mean might get enough money to buy another one?????

Thanks Again for ALL the Help!

Cag

[wwl]

cag--if you get a copy of the form 3 or 4 it will not give you a trail of its registration but will tell you of its status. For example, a C&R gun will list as the mfg {British or some such language}, but a tube gun will list as the mfg DLO, York,etc, and a UNITED STATES address. Remember, unless you live in a C&R only state like Minnesota, the gun will transfer to you even if it is not a C&R gun. So if you paid a premium for a C&R it may turn out to not be a C&R. Advice----first see a copy of the registration papers.

[cag]

I have done some reading this AM, as I understand the owner of the Sten will transfer to his Class 2 mfg and that guy will file a form 3 for a tax free transfer to my class 2 mfg.

If that is right, how long does that paper work take?

I am great full for all the help!

Cag

[EM1/SS]

The owner can transfer it directly to your dealer and save the time of one transfer.

[cag]

Would the owner have to pay a transfer tax if he did transfer to my Class 2 mfg. ?

 

Thank all of you for the advice (I need all the help I can get)

Later

Cag

[EM1/SS]

Yes, He would still need to pay the 200 dollars. It doesn't save any money just time.

[NavyEngineer]

I also strongly recommend Captain Peter Laidler's book - it is superbly researched, and has a wealth of historical knowledge about STENs. Captain Laidler is also active on another forum (milsurps.com), and recently answered a question I had (it turns out that a MKII parts set I purchased to have spares for my incoming STEN came with an original MKII S (Silenced) magazine housing. Captain Laidler said he's only seen 20 or so of them in many years of researching STENs.

 

[EM1/SS]

I also strongly recommend Captain Peter Laidler's book - it is superbly researched, and has a wealth of historical knowledge about STENs. Captain Laidler is also active on another forum (milsurps.com), and recently answered a question I had (it turns out that a MKII parts set I purchased to have spares for my incoming STEN came with an original MKII S (Silenced) magazine housing. Captain Laidler said he's only seen 20 or so of them in many years of researching STENs.

 

 

Any good place to get this book?