soe Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Hello Collectors of Sten. A near friend of me catch this poutch today. He ask me to buy it . He dont collect them. Are this one a 100% orginal one ? or copy ? I have seen differences in the way these are made up & varia markings. From 1942 to 44. What are your opinions of it ? Regards SOE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soe Posted August 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Here is another one from a collection of one of my freinds. Study the details with the other i posted. Regards SOE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 SOE, Thanks for posting these photos. What are the maker markings on the second pouch? Is it possible I can use the photos on the Sten reference page, and credit your name for them? Thanks! David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soe Posted August 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Hi Dalbert.i can arrange some better photos for you later.What are your opinions of the first one ? Soe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 I haven't seen enough of these to confidently assess their originality. The condition of the brass fittings on the first one has me just a little bit suspicious... Perhaps someone else will weigh in on this with some more collector experience specific to this type of Sten item. When I get a chance, I'll check the details in the Laidler book to see if it provides further insight. David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soe Posted August 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Anyone With some info about the first poutch ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soe Posted August 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 (edited) I haven't seen enough of these to confidently assess their originality. The condition of the brass fittings on the first one has me just a little bit suspicious... Perhaps someone else will weigh in on this with some more collector experience specific to this type of Sten item. When I get a chance, I'll check the details in the Laidler book to see if it provides further insight. David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Thats fine Dalbert . I have seen and study Ima fake poutches and the stitches and sees are not the same as the pictured sten poutch first in tread.i have sent some pictured to a Sten gun hard core collector...and wait for opinions from him too. Edited August 19, 2012 by soe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soe Posted August 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 We now belive the first poutch are fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 SOE, Yes, I think you are correct about the first Sten pouch being a repro. I'm not positive, but there's enough suspicion aroused that I'd be very cautious. Here are the main issues I see:I know that a repro of this item exists, and I believe it was available from IMA in the pastThe material is similar to that used in other current repro itemsThe snap closure is different than the one pictued in the Laidler book, and the 2nd example from your friend's collection (which is the same as in the Laidler book)The brass fittings appear not to be solid brass, and are changing colorI think the stitching and quality is not as good as the few examples of which I've seen picturesThe manufacturer mark is extremely darkSo, I feel that this item has many characteristics of a reproduction, and I'd treat it as such until proven otherwise. Thanks! David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james m Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 (edited) I have a question here:We're all well aware of the repro Thompson items that have flooded the market. Thompsons,and their accessories, are and will IMO always be expensive.I am wonderings with STENS and their accourtrements being relatively inexpensive where there would be a financial incentive to reproduce something like this?Jim Edited August 19, 2012 by james m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soe Posted August 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 James. The reason are these are very rare and expensive. sten 7 cell poutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Yes, I agree the original pouches are quite rare and expensive. That's a recipe for a reproduction to enter the market. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoscoeTurner Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Yes, I agree the original pouches are quite rare and expensive. That's a recipe for a reproduction to enter the market. David Sten pouches such as those in the photos have been reproduced for quite some time and imported by several companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soe Posted August 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Yes, I agree the original pouches are quite rare and expensive. That's a recipe for a reproduction to enter the market. David Sten pouches such as those in the photos have been reproduced for quite some time and imported by several companies. are the second bandolier fake too ? I dont think soo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soe Posted August 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Here some more pics of the other in this tread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 I'm fairly certain the second one is original. David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soe Posted August 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanDavid Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 I have got one like the second one, in my collection. I belive the second one is the real deal, the first one is almost certainly a fake. It looks like it was made in India last year. Out of interest there are two vertions of the Sten mag bandolier a first pattern and a second pattern which is the same as your second photo. I have only seen the first pattern illustrated in a photo book on British equipment of the "Tommy" in WW2. Regards AlanDSydney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanDavid Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Out of interest a dealer in the UK has a 1944 dated one for sale on his site, there are some good pictures of the bandolier. I am nor assosiated with the dealer in any way although I have bought a few items from him in the past. http://www.wdmilitaria.co.uk/viewphoto.php?shoph=16653&phqu=5 Regards AlanDSydney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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