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S.659, the bill that will help eliminate frivolous lawsuits against the firearms industry, will be taken up in the Senate this week, possibly as soon as tomorrow. It is widely reported that Sen. Feinstein will attempt to amend the bill with a renewal of the 1994 "Assault Weapons" Ban.


The anti-gun lobby is staging a "phone-in" tomorrow (Tuesday, February 24th) in opposition to S.659. Though the bill already has enough co-sponsors (54) to ensure passage, a filibuster could still be attempted, which is presumably what the anti-gun side is hoping for.


To ensure our elected officials know they will lose more votes than they gain by supporting a renewal of the AWB, we all need to do our part by calling our Senators and voicing our strong opposition to the Feinstein AWB renewal amendment that will be offered for S.659... not only should this ban not be renewed, it should not be allowed to cloud the issue of whether S.659, an unrelated bill, should be passed.


The anti-gun folks are asking their people to call between the following hours:


9:00 AM - 1:00 PM Eastern Standard Time

8:00 AM - 12:00 PM Central Standard Time

7:00 AM - 11:00 AM Mountain Standard Time

6:00 AM - 10:00 AM Pacific Standard Time


Call 202-224-3121 and ask for one of your Senators' offices (you'll have to call back to reach the other one).


Even if you've already called your Senators in the past few weeks, CALL AGAIN tomorrow. Be polite, but firm in your opposition to Feinstein's AWB renewal amendment. Please spread the word to everyone you know.


Thank you, everyone, for taking an active role in ensuring this useless ban does indeed sunset this September.












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Don't vote for Evan Bayh. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif

Here is his response to my concern of the AWB. I infomed Evan that I would not be voting for him again. And I would inform all those interested about his feelings on the ban. I also informed him that this did nothing but raise prices for collectors such as myself. If a criminal or terrorist wants a large capacity mag or "assault weapon" they will bring them in or smuggle them in.



February 24, 2004




Dear Mr. Hensley:


Thank you for your letter concerning the reauthorization of the

Assault Weapons Ban of 1994. I welcome your thoughts and comments.


The primary purpose of any gun control legislation must be to

keep firearms out of the hands of criminals or juveniles. Throughout my

public life, I have opposed legislation that fails to appropriately balance

the need to maintain a safe society with the ability of law-abiding

Americans to own and use firearms responsibly. I have always

supported the second amendment and have opposed efforts to impose

burdensome regulations on gun-owners. I believe that tough and

effective enforcement of existing firearms laws is the best way to save



As you may know, the Assault Weapons Ban passed as part of

the 1994 Crime Bill. This legislation prohibited the manufacture,

transfer or possession of 19 specifically named assault weapons, all

semi-automatic rifles and pistols that can accept a detachable magazine

and have at least two features outlined by the statute, and all large-

feeding ammunition devices. The Assault Weapons Ban will expire

after September 14, 2004 unless Congress and the President approve the

reauthorization of the law before this date.


While I was not a member of the Congress when this ban was

passed, I do plan to support the reauthorization of the Assault Weapons

Ban. In a post September 11th world, we simply cannot increase the

difficulties faced by our law enforcement community in keeping our

nation safe by allowing assault weapons to land in the hands of violent

criminals or would-be terrorists.

However, I would be reluctant to support efforts that would expand the

scope of this legislation or undermine the right of law-abiding citizens to

bear arms.


Thank you for taking the time to advise me on this important

matter. I value your input and hope that you will continue to share your

thoughts with me.


Again, thank you for contacting me. I hope that the information

that I have provided is helpful. My website, http://bayh.senate.gov, can

provide additional details about legislation and state projects, and you

can also sign up to receive my monthly e-newsletter, The Bayh Bulletin,

by clicking on the link at the top of my homepage. I value your input

and hope you will continue to keep me informed of the issues important

to you.



Best wishes,







Evan Bayh

United States Senator






Evan Bayh

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In N.Y., we can finally carry pistols concealed. However, this year, the liberals have introduced ballistic fingerprinting on all new pistols sold (more cost to the taxpayers, with no reduction in crime)! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif Also, our Republican Governor, George (never met a tax I didn't like) Pataki, has just proposed a new tax (something like $25/ transaction) on all new pistols, added or subtracted from a pistol permit in New York State!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif And the assault on all of our Second Amendment rights continues, on all sides, incrementally!!! As the Irish cop (from Chicago), Malone, asked Eliot Ness, in the movie, The Untouchables, "What are you prepared to do?" http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif I know that I will vote against every such liberal, everytime, always, and forever!!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif Regards, Walter
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I wrote Mr Bayh and Senator Lugar over a weekago. I knew I was getting a new DSL and wanted my

correct address for any replys, so I had delayed doing so. It was the first thing I did after getting set up

though. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif


I still have not heard from either of them.


I did not bother Representative Burton who is without doubt on the correct side of this issue.


I will be calling them tomorrow.


The sad thing is I helped put that "gentleman" into office. Well, this is one Republican who will not be

voting for a Bayh ever again. The vote for Clinton during impeachmant was embarressing. His response

to Mike (FullAuto45) was laughably a poor attempt at justifying his "follow the lemmings vote" that he has

probally been strong armed into by his democratic colleages from the other states.


How a Senator from Indiana could have that stand is beyond me. This Hoosier is embarressed. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/unsure.gif



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WELL..........i have alot of thoughts on gun control....a firm grip is my first though and good aiming is my next.....i say we get a firm grip on the back of their collar and aim our boot at their ass and kick them right out of office.......i sure hope the awb sunsets...this country is suppost to be a free country...a man should have his feedom atleast until he does something to get it taken away..........well heres a no brainer...they restrict all these guns and slowly take the right away for people have guns all together....well...have they ever thought that the fucking criminals don't give a rats ass what they ban or make illeagal??? i mean duhhhhhhhh.....all they are doing is making this country more and more dangerous.....wanna cut crime rate??? give everybody a fucking gun!! the damn crininals wouldn't be a problem long and we wouldn't have all these damn taxes to support all these criminals on "death row" because their ass would be dead...i say make new laws...some fucker breaks in on you and you let him get away without atleast 1 round in his and you go to jail!! you get a life sentence..boom your dead..fuck spening billions and billions on criminals you give life sentences or death penality..bust a cap in their and throw them in a hole right then...i get really pissed off talking about this shit...we got kids out there doing without and hungry and you got all these fucking criminals with everything they need to live a healthy life in prision...and take it from OUR tax money thats suppost to support US and OUR country????? and they wanna take OUR guns that have these certain stupid ass features that makes it such a bad thing??? just how many crimes are commited with a auto or even these semi guns that fall under the AWB????? very very very few or hardly none...yeaaaaa take all the "BAD" guns from everyone....so a criminal can "without even a parts kit" can build a very simple full auto tube gun and mow down the under armed "good" people........btw...won't be me.....oh....and don't most of them have "OUR" body guards "we pay for" with the guns we can't have??? that "we pay for" what about us??? i think the same rules should apply to them also....what do they care? they are protected by "them guns"...why can't we be?? and by the way..if they didn't know....my first weapon of choice for protection aint a gun that falls under the AWB....its a 12 guage with oo buck shot...and i have fal's,ar-15's etc etc etc....hummmm.....ban shotguns next??? wait...can't do that...most of our great leaders duck hunt alot.......have they ever though about putting a ban on criminals that cause these problems to begin with?? i mean a ban that really works.......like..."exporting them and not allowing them to come back even if cut up"
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Hey Wolfer 113, I like your way of thinking! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif Another thing to consider is actually applying the death penalty, consistently, to all violent offenders (murderers, rapists, child molesters, armed robbers, etc.), without exception!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif I think, even the most stupid, criminals might start to get the message!!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif Regards, Walter
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Ballistic fingerprinting.... it would take 10 seconds to just replace the barrel on most pistols... Like said more people should carry. If we had one person with a gun at half the scenes of crimes then our crimes would come close to being cut in half. But being rational, we are wasting our time on restrictions that are meaningless. I would much rather see the government rush the creation of devices where only the gun owner can shoot his gun (or whomever else he permits)for weapons that are accually used in crimes.
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Did the Congressional Switchboard get shut down? http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif


I cannot get through. All I am getting is a fast busy signal via landline

and my cell says that they "are unable to complete my call at this time".


Will keep trying.

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Well, I just called. I got past the switchboard, and asked to speak with Chuck Schumer. The secretary tried his number twice, and it was busy both times!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif Typical out-of-touch Washington insider, who needs to be put outside!!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif Regards, Walter
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Lionhart, Walter63a, PhilOhio, Fencer, Wolfer113, and all others,


You guys are great!!! Loved that Wolfer113 response!!! Sounds like me! I called both my senators local offices here in Missouri (Kansas City area) and at their D.C. offices yesterday and discussed the AW ban and the sunset. I also got several people from work to do the same thing. Next, I pretended I was a resident of Kansas and called their D.C. offices as well. Maybe not completely ethical but what the hell. Besides, I getting taxed at about 4 or 5 levels, I should have the vote of four or five people. We are trying to get conceal carry passed here, but some F...ing liberal judge and his buddies are stalling. (Our newest republican ran house and senate passed a bill and then overruled the demo governors veto!!). Then it when to the courts because the liberal m... f... had a fit. Kansas is attempting to do the same thing. Its hard to believe, here in the great midwest, where I would say guns are plentiful, we dont have conceal carry. Most people around here grow up (I guess used to) hunting and handling a gun at an early age.


I am still a little worried that Bush will sign the AW ban if it gets to him. I think he made that statement, thinking the ban would die in the House. Note, he signed the McCain campaign finance reform bill! Again, I think he figured the Supreme Court would rule it unconstitutional. Screw up #1. Then he talks about amnesty for illegals. NOT GOOD in my opinion. Screw up #2. Hes got the WMD issue to deal with. Possible screw up #3. Wont protect our borders, screw up #4. Then he rides the fence on the gay marriage issue, but then recently states he is for a constitutional amendment. I think he knows he's in trouble, even with his base. I know I am having problems voting for him again at this point. So I think that was a first step in trying to get back his base. Now we have to make it known he has a lot more to do to get a bunch more of us back. And that can start with sunsetting the AW ban. Like I said about 2-3 weeks ago, I am now a one issue voter (told that to my senators aides). So lets keep the heat on and make it understood that these politicians had better support the Second Amendment or they are next out the door.


An elected politician has to take an oath to uphold the constitution. If these liberal pussy aren't man enough to do what is required to perfrom the job, why do the bastards run for office? The first question anyone running for office should be asked is "are you going to support all of the constitution should you be elected and more specifically the Second Amendment? A follow up would be "would you support the repeal of recent guns laws in order to restore Second Amendment rights to law abiding citizens"?


Guys, lets stay at it!! We can win this if we play our cards right. Thanks Lionhart for keeping us informed! And happy belated birthday!



Mario Scarpino

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QUOTE (Mario Scarpino @ Feb 25 2004, 08:25 PM)
    Guys, lets stay at it!! We can win this if we play our cards right. Thanks Lionhart for keeping us informed! And happy belated birthday!

Mario Scarpino

Mario, Thanks! I've been watching C-Span most of the day..WOW. We ALL must do our part now to win the soft war. Otherwise it will be the hard war we'll end up fighting! We must NEVER, EVER give up!NEVER!

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Today, the Senate spent approximately 12 hours on the firearms industry lawsuit preemption bill... and got nothing done. Well, almost nothing. The two sides hammered out an agreement that will result in a plethora of amendments being offered over the next several days. Amendments ranging from "cop killer" bullets to concealed carry to "snipers" and more will be offered, along with Feinstein's AWB renewal, and a handful of totally unrelated measures (unemployment, voting rights, etc.), giving the appearance that this bill is quickly becoming a very messy free-for-all.


The vote that primarily concerns us, of course, is on Feinstein's amendment, which will occur at 11:30 Tuesday morning. A vote on final passage of the bill should also happen Tuesday.


Keep the pressure on! Call your Senators, and tell them you want the firearms industry junk lawsuit preemption bill to be signed into law as quickly as possible, and in order for that to happen in a timely manner, the bill must be passed in the Senate without the baggage of these extraneous amendments. And, of course, stress your strong opposition to the AWB renewal specifically.


You can reach your Senators by calling 202-224-3121.


Already called yesterday or last week? CALL AGAIN!











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The local communists newspaper (Kansas City Star) reported a rather convoluted story about what the senate did on 25 Feb. As Lionhart stated above, it sound like a big pile of crap coming our way. But the Star reports that the White House supports extending the AW ban and that there were 75 senators on board for the pending bill. The paper makes it sound like there are 75 senators supporting both the new bill and extending the AW ban. The guy who wrote the story must have been educated in the public school system, as the meaning of the article is up for grabs.


But I think this is the bottom line. We have to get our message to one individual and that's Tom DeLay. I now really believe he is our only hope. Bush is lost and can't lead this country. We know the senate has no balls (the house impeached W.C. Clinton (ugly bas....) and the senate would not convict). So ts down to Tom DeLay to save our Second Amendment. This could get real nasty. I plan on contacting Delay's office frequently. Pass the word and do what you think needs to be done, but it doesn't look good.


Mario Scarpino

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Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, the Colorado organization coordinating the efforts of many state-level firearms rights organizations in fighting against the current slew of federal gun control amendments currently being offered in the Senate, is wary of the strategy the NRA appears to be employing.


Dudley Brown, Executive Director of RMGO, sent out an e-mail alert today urging immediate action from all gun owners on preventing S.1805 from being passed, due to the gun control amendments it now contains, and those that will almost certainly be added (possibly including Feinstein's AWB renewal).



In his alert, Brown states, "as predicted, S.1805, the Lawsuit Liability bill is being debated on the Senate Floor (at the behest of its sponsor, Idaho Senator Larry Craig).


"And late last night, Senator Larry Craig (a board member of the NRA) worked with rabid anti-gunner Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) to come up with a "Unanimous Consent Agreement" which allows a large number of gun control amendments to be offered to S.1805.


"By pushing this bill to be heard on the floor, and agreeing to hear a large number of gun control amendments, Senator Craig has opened up Pandora's Box of Gun Control.


"That means you MUST call your US Senators immediately, even if you called them yesterday."


Brown then goes on to say, "after agreeing to the "Unanimous Consent Agreement", Sen. Larry Craig said "Some of these amendments could pass." This C-Span2 admission is understating it -- some of these gun control amendments WILL pass. In fact, one already has, and others gun control advocates are lining up to join in on the "fun".


Questioning the NRA's strategy on this bill, Brown asks, "have you received an e-mail from NRA-ILA urging voting against S.1805 IF it gets gun control on it? They KNOW quite well that this bill will have gun control on it, and have known it for weeks. Instead, they play inside baseball and tell gun owners "Trust us -- we have a plan", trusting in their own cleverness to circumvent the anti-gunners amendments. That is the same thing they said on the McCain-Fiengold Campaign Finance Deform bill (which stripped gun owners of their 1st Amendment rights) as well as the first Assault Weapons and High-capacity magazines ban bill, Brady Registration Checks, Lautenberg Gun Ban, etc, etc. That's a failed strategy, and should be abandoned.


"Remember, the definition of insanity is continuing to do what you've always done but expecting different results.


"They'll post some things on their website, but they won't apply real pressure. That means they are, by their silence, agreeing to this "Unanimous Consent Agreement." And their board member, Sen. Larry Craig, openly agreed to that agreement with Sen. Reed. Craig will vote against most (not all) of the gun controls, but he's the person who enabled all of these gun control amendments."






Whether or not you agree with all of Browns assertions, one thing stands out as being awfully odd. Wednesday morning's cloture vote should have cleared the way for the bill to be voted on within a day or two (with a handful of anti-gun amendments to deal with). Late last night, however, all of us were taken aback by the agreement that permitted this onslaught of amendments, some not even related to gun control at all. One has to wonder why this was even necessary... why was a "deal" with the other side needed to proceed with a bill that had already overwhelmingly won a cloture vote?


We must all flood our Senators' offices with phone calls and e-mails, urging that the bill not be passed with these anti-gun amendments, especially the "assault weapons" ban renewal. Call the capital switchboard at 202-224-3121, and ask for each of your Senators.


Alternatively, you can easily locate your Senators' contact information here:














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http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Lionhart you do good with your account of wtf is happening in the senate. I too watched it for hours today, and emailed both my 'pro-gun' thank God Senators McConnell & Bunning...I'll be calling Monday & Tuesday, to urge them to get in this fight & help Sen Craig & kick some liberal anti-gun butts. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif .......You're right, I watched the sickening performance of Kennedy lie about so-called 'cop-killer' bullets, which would have banned almost all our rifle ammo, by 'performance'! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif These damn liberals lie like bloody hell, and deceive the unsuspecting voter all over........Feinstien lurking there like the devil, is a slap in freedoms face!..........Lionhart, keep ringing the alarm,here, you're great !

Poor Walter, you might as well talk to the mirror, talking to Schumer & clinton; Move next to Ft.Knox, ky here; there is a house for sale next to me(2000yds from the Gold Vault,where Thompsons use to guard the gold) http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif .........jw


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PhilOhio, I hope you are wrong about LaPierre, but I fear that you are right. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif I will be watching his actions very closely this year! If he can't do the job, we should lobby to bring back Charlton Heston. Even if he is missing a few extra neurons, he has charisma and would fight for our Second Amendment rights. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif It reminds me of the occasion when President Lincoln replaced Gen. McClellan with the rumored 'hard drinking' Gen. Grant, inspite of protests from aides. It made all the difference in the World. I think, we too, need someone at the helm of the NRA who will 'fight', and not pay mere lipservice to the Second Amendment, while cosying up to slimy politicians!!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/cool.gif Regards, Walter
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Phil in Ohio; have you found Former Rep.Kasik's 'Gun' voting record of 10 years ago ? (who now fills in on FOX News, and exspouses hard-line conservative values)......If not, I'll scan & send to you a NRA mag record of his vote on Brady or AW/Mag ban........Walter, he is an example of a phoney politician..........Such as Sen.McCain both Republicans, who vote like liberal democrats.. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif ...Few years back, when McCain was ranting about the so-called gunshow 'loophole', I wrote him a letter, and said 'yes you did good in Viet Nam, but now you are acting like a socialist/lib democrat; why don't you change parties,stop being a phoney', and 'It seems so many are afraid to challenge you on your behaviour, because of your POW experience, well, I was fried on a tank in a battle in Nam, so I think we are equal in service, and I am holding you accountable for your liberal/democrat actions nose to nose ! Wake-up or move out!'.....I get so pissed at these politicians!........am i ranting,sorry http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/sad.gif Together we are strong............jw
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.R.2038, the onerous gun ban proposed by Representatives McCarthy and Conyers, while being a frightening read, is widely acknowledged as simply being a decoy, meant to distract gun owners from the real battle of whether or not the 1994 "Assault Weapons" Ban will be renewed, and is also intended to set up a situation where we are "grateful" when "only" a renewal of the current ban is passed.


In a move that indicates an acknowledgment that this bill has no chance at all of seeing the light of day, McCarthy and several other representatives introduced H.R.3831 several days ago.


Shockingly, this bill only appears to renew (for another 10 years) the "assault weapon" portion of the ban, and allows the "high capacity" magazine restrictions to sunset in September of this year as provided for in the original law. Clearly, these anti-gun politicians are hoping that, with the removal of the magazine ban, opposition to the AWB will wane as fewer gun owners feel they will be directly affected by the ban.


They, of course, will be proven wrong.


Since you are already busily calling, faxing, and e-mailing your senators in opposition to the anti-gun amendments being added to the Lawful Commerce in Arms bill currently being debated in the Senate, take just an extra moment to contact you representative, and tell them you oppose even this drastically watered down ban that McCarthy and her cohorts are proposing.


You can find your senators' contact info here:



Tell them you oppose the anti-gun amendments being offered for S.1805, ESPECIALLY Sen. Feinstein's AWB renewal amendment, which will be voted on Tuesday.



You can find your representative's contact info here:



Tell them you oppose any effort to renew ANY part of the so-called "assault weapons" ban, including the recently introduced H.R.3831.



The proposed bill's text is as follows:



HR 3831 IH




2d Session


H. R. 3831


To extend the sunset on the assault weapons ban for 10 years.





February 25, 2004



Mr. CASTLE (for himself, Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York, Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia, Mr. SHAYS, Mrs. JOHNSON of Connecticut, Mr. KIRK, Mr. QUINN, and Ms. ROS-LEHTINEN) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary






To extend the sunset on the assault weapons ban for 10 years.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,







Section 110105(2) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (18 U.S.C. 921 note) is amended by inserting `, or in the case of the amendments made by section 110102, 20 years,' after `10 years'.















Dear Sirs,


We would appreciate you posting this to your bulletin board and sending to your email list.




Recent internet alerts from some "pro-Second Amendment" groups have suggested that the National Rifle Association has either accepted a compromise that would include reenactment of the 1994 Clinton Gun ban and/or the McCain-Reed gun show restrictions, or will not actively fight against their passage in the Senate. Not only are these claims completely false and ridiculous but they are also extremely counterproductive to our legislative strategy and agenda. Gun control groups are spreading the same rumors in hopes of confusing pro-gun senators as to our position in hopes of gaining their support.


The National Rifle Association led the fight in opposition to this ill-conceived ban in 1994, led the efforts to repeal the ban two years later, and is leading the fight to ensure the Clinton gun ban expires on time on September 13. From public speeches, articles in NRA publications, communications to lawmakers and the development of a website (www.ClintonGunBan.com), the National Rifle Association has been vocal and unambiguous about our position on this issue.


It is our hope that supposed "friends of the Second Amendment" will cease to provide ammunition to the enemy by disseminating this false information. Unfortunately, some of these groups seem intent on finding or creating any excuse to defeat S. 1805, perhaps because its passage has been a priority of the NRA for four years. The anti-gunners are seeking to undermine the Second Amendment and the legislative process by seeking to bankrupt firearms and ammunition manufacturers or get gun control restrictions through the courts through dozens of pending municipal lawsuits -- blaming the gun industry for the acts of criminals -- initiated by anti-gun big city mayors and greedy trial lawyers. A single judgment by a rogue judge or jury could wipe out the entire firearms industry making our gun rights worthless. Passage of S. 1805 is critical -- but not worth allowing legislation going to the President including either an extension of the Clinton gun ban or restrictions at gun shows. There will be no compromise. The only choice is a "clean" bill or no bill.


The legislative process in Congress is complex and far from perfect. Fortunately, Congress is a bicameral (two house) legislative body and both the House and Senate must agree on the same bill before enactment. While we are uncertain of the outcome of several pending anti-gun amendments in the Senate, the House is strongly pro-gun and it (or a conference committee) will not accept any anti-gun Senate-passed amendment as part of the final product to be sent to the President.


Pro-gun grassroots activists who want to advance our cause should not be distracted by misinformation and disinformation by our "friends." Instead, gun owners and sportsmen must keep our focus on the real action and contact -- by calls, e-mails, and faxes -- their two U.S. Senators urging them to vote for S. 1805 and against any and all anti-gun "poison pill" killer amendments including, but not limited to, the Clinton gun ban and gun shows. Use the "Write Your Representatives" (www.capwiz.com/nra/home) tool at www.NRAILA.org to contact your Senators and call them at 202-224-3121. We appreciate your active support in our cause to defend the Second Amendment and freedom itself.


National Rifle Association








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Am I the only person out here that is shocked Bush was for supporting the AWB extension???


While rewriting Mr. Bayh and Mr. Lugar, I also dropped a letter to George. I even went so far

as to ask him to remove Clinton's Executive order on the importation of US made military firearms,

parts, etc. Heck, It cannot hurt to ask.


BTW, I was shocked! Shocked mind you to find that Mr. Bayh was using a form letter to respond to

emails on the AWB subject. Identical to the one FullAuto45 received.



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And I was thinking about joining the NRA again. I'm trying to follow the progress on the AWB sunset, it seems like one minute things look good and the next minute they suck! What gut feelings do you guys have about the AWB sunset? I have to admit that I never really kept up on the current news on gun debates and the gun grabber's agenda (yes, I was STUPID). Then I started looking back at was has been happening in the past 10-15 years (no more new mfg. of NFA weapons, assault rifle ban, stupid magazine laws, ect. ect.). Now, I'm trying to get as much information as I can and vote accordingly (I guess I'm getting older and care more about my rights). I used to be happy just going down to the local gun store and buying my military rifles (Nagant's, SMLE's, K98's ect.), but now it seems like I have to worry that one day I might not even be able to do that, and that really bothers me. If it was up to people like Feinstein or Brady I honestly believe that private gun ownership would be illegal. I AM going to join the NRA again (strength in numbers) but I feel like I need to do something else to help protect my rights (we all should). My blinders are off now and I'm going to be pro-active. Now, I will get off of my soap box, open a Guinness and my bottle of Hoppe's (not for drinking!) and start cleaing the Indian SMLE and the 91/30 that I just bought.


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Fencer,.. I not sure Pres. Bush ever said he would support AWB extension...so confusing all the info coming out of D,C....don`t know who says what,when,etc....really hard to follow...if Bush abandons us...he won`t make the white house again,that`s for sure...south florida dems might learn how to count this time.out. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif
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From the Washington Post


Bush Opposes Additions to Gun Bill


By Helen Dewar

Washington Post Staff Writer

Thursday, February 26, 2004; Page A04



The White House is opposing addition of gun show and assault weapons restrictions to a bill shielding firearms makers and dealers from lawsuits, prompting angry complaints from Democrats that President Bush is reneging on earlier support for the two proposals.





The dispute emerged as the Senate began debating the lawsuits measure, which is strongly backed by the National Rifle Association as well as the White House and appears to have the support of a bipartisan majority in the Senate.


The bill easily cleared its first procedural hurdle yesterday. But close votes are anticipated on the gun-control proposals, which would require background checks for purchases at gun shows and extend for 10 years the current ban on 19 types of semiautomatic assault weapons, which expires in September.


Votes on the proposals may not occur until next week, Senate aides said. The House has passed the lawsuits measure and is regarded as unlikely to go along with any major gun-control initiatives.


The liability bill was prompted by several dozen court suits filed over the past five years, many of them by cities, that seek damages from the gun industry for sales and other practices that may have contributed to gun violence.


The bill's backers argue that gun manufacturers run the risk of bankruptcy for producing legal products misused by purchasers. Foes contend the threat of legal action is needed to prevent shoddy or deceptive practices and say the bill would jeopardize valid suits such as those filed by families of victims of the 2002 sniper attacks in the Washington area. The bill would permit lawsuits only for defective products or illegal sales.


In a statement Tuesday evening, the White House urged passage of the lawsuits measure without amendments that might delay its enactment. "Any amendment that would delay enactment of the bill beyond this year is unacceptable," the statement said. Democrats interpreted this as an effort to undermine support for the gun-control measures.


"For the president to say he is for the assault weapons ban but then act against it is a flip-flop if there ever was one," said Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), one of several sponsors of the assault weapons proposal in the Senate.


Democrats said Bush endorsed a continuation of the controls on assault weapons during his 2000 campaign and has also indicated he supports legislation to require criminal background checks at gun shows.


There are 10 to 12 senators who are undecided on the issue and Bush "has given them a giant shield to hide behind," Schumer contended.


While the White House statement leaves the door open to consideration of the gun-control provisions as part of other legislation, the lawsuit immunity bill presents the best -- and probably only -- chance for passage of the proposals this year, Schumer said.


Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), another leading sponsor of the assault weapons measure, said she was "not sure this is our only chance," but nevertheless criticized the administration for "not lift[ing] a hand" to help extend the assault weapons ban.





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