OCM Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Got some friends at the Big Sandy shoot in Arizona this weekend. Be firing a FA Colt 1911 45 there. Also some other Lebman-style guns. Maybe be posting some photos of the stuff, with permission. Yesterday was Thompson shooting over at Gunsite near Prescott. Today & tomorrow Big Sandy. OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) Cleaning up old photos- need more space Edited March 27, 2016 by OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubguy Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Very talented! Thanks for posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) Deleted for space Edited December 18, 2015 by OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl7422 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 It was my distinct pleasure to meet and visit with Sandy's friends on the line at Big Sandy. They were very gracious with their assessment of the Lebman mini replica--great guys and dedicated historians - the only thing we lacked was more time. The Big Sandy line is a busy place and there was a lot for the guys to see. Our discussion had just drifted to fighting shotguns when they had to get on their way for an appointment to shoot a full-auto 1911! Great times indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levallois Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 One of these days I'll get up there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I would love to see how those were converted? Are there any transferable ones?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Yes they are transferable but not for sale. I have a video of Sheriff Hudson firing the FA 1911, but can't post here. It's completely out of control, like 1000 RPM or something. The one that California John Lebman did ( That's my personal nickname for him ), is stunning. Like a time warp back to the hands of Baby Face Nelson . OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 I'm a student of the 1911 and those always fascinated me. I'd love to get my hands on one to look it over and see how it worked. This sounds crazy but I think it would be fun to take a new production Colt 70 Series and convert it into one of these as a Post Sample. Has anyone ever done a comparison to reliability between the 38 Super and the 45 ACP units? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted October 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 There's a pretty good discussion on this forum when I was learning about the same, asking the pros here on the forum. The law is rather crazy about this, so I learned.To mount a front grip on a 1911 frame, series 70, 80 or whatever, you have to file with the Feds as a AOW= Any other Weapon. Then you have to know how to mount it or find a Smith that will do it. $200 for the fee and the same wait period. It can then transfer for 5 bucks-My understanding there are as few as 5 FA Colt 1911 converted to a machine gun in the US. I'm out of my world here, but you would have to have like a Class 7 or 10 license to convert one to FA but would be yours forever, NOT transferable except to maybe another Class 7 dude. ( I think, it's confusing on why the Feds want this other then it's no longer a pistol in their minds ) The original Lebman ones were 45 and then the Super 38 as it was the most powerful handgun in 1934.To get a prewar Colt Super 38, then get the AOW license AND pay to have it converted would be a pricey endeavor, at least for this guy.Others know more about this then I - OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl7422 Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 OCM pretty much sums it up in the above post. As a point of clarification, the Lebman style 1911 pictured above in this thread is a semi. AOW. It was built to replicate how an original survivor from the "motorized bandit" era might look today--with an appropriately aged finish and grips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Got Uzi Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 I knew that if one were to build a true FA 1911 they would need to have their SOT but what I was in the gray area on was if it would be classified as an AOW ($5.00) or a $200 if I were to make one for display and leave it semi auto. Is there anyway (or do you have any pictures of) how the grip mount is attached? Perhaps some close up shots of the comp? I would not be able to sleep at night using an original Colt 38 Super or 45 ACP from that era for this project, but I would consider using a new production 70 Series Colt 45 ACP (or possibly using one of the new production 9mm ones) and using it for my host to build a semi auto ONLY clone of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StooperZero Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 i've been hunting for months now for a "beater" plain jane 1911 for the AOW project. no luck. If you want to do one as a display on the cheap, just buy one of those zinc guns sarco sells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted October 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) I was considering the same, find a beater and do a AOW on it, however don't know how. I've done them in the past for my collection ( like 15 years ago) used a Colt replica 1911 you used to be able to buy . I did one not long ago out of boredom, with like Hacksaw said, a zinc copy you can buy online. Just a toy for display.Other shown is a mock up to display with the Lincoln Court apartment grouping I had. This was done probably 15 years ago. Again a display Colt 1911 45 that was sold thru a company I think called Collector Firearms. Potmetal.On both, the grips were not mounted permanently, and the guns were dummies. If you mount a grip on a 1911 frame, on a working pistol ( semi) you have to file for the AOW and pay $200.00 and wait maybe a year. Then you can transfer it for $5.00. It's really a registration of the gun as a newly made gun, but not a NFA weapon. Example : It's allowed to buy a Mauser Broomhandle etc with the removable buttstock because it was made that way , however if you want to mount a front grip on a pistol you have to file & pay. OCM Edited December 18, 2015 by OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineverlistentoFM Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Sandy: did you have dillinger's essex terraplane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted January 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Yes I did, The plate on the car was on loan to me from the Dillinger family- It was found under the Dillinger farm, with some others, when they were doing some electrical remodel. Plate did not necessarily belong with this car, but was one of John's cache of stolen automobile plates. Fun little story- Edited March 27, 2016 by OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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