Decent looking AO. 1928AC on GB

[mgvince]

Huggy, have you checked this one out?

 

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[huggytree]

yes.....already contacted & awaiting more photo's

 

its another late model 1928ac similar to the one i made offers on thats also listed on GB

 

im very interested....but the price seems out of line by $3-4k dont you think? or is original finish worth $27k + $600 for stamp/shipping--- if the internals are good?

 

seems like a nice $24k gun to me at this point(including shipping/stamp)

 

i really appreciate people helping me look...pickin's have been slim lately........i was excited when i saw the gun, but then saw $27k + shipping and a $30k buy it now and was immediately saddened

 

i am kicking myself for not buying Sandmans 1928ac for $25.5 and REALLY kicking myself for not buying Rubens 1928 Savage for $26k

Edited February 7, 2016 by huggytree

[mgvince]

I agree, price seems high. But it doesn't cost anything to offer a fair price. You never know.

 

I went through the same thing, looking for my Thompson. It was about a two year hunt, on and off. I had posted several guns, just as you have.

It was a one and done for me. So I wanted to get the best one I could. Thanks to a very knowledgable forum member, who kept telling me the right one will come along.

I found a fantastic Savage 1928 PD gun.

 

I'll keep looking for ya.

[Ron Mills]

Looks like the "grinder" got away from the user to get rid of the US mark. The guy's shipping rates are out of line in my view. Seems to me that we've some offerings from this seller before, right?

[gijive]

It has the wrong compensator on it, so it may have not have the original barrel either. Not a $27,000.00 gun, in my opinion.

[huggytree]

if it doesnt have the correct barrel why would they put a smooth one on?

 

i asked for a pic of the barrel marker

 

finish looks very nice which makes it a contender

 

 

 

as far as offering a price-----that has yet to go well for me.....every time im always met with 'no i am firm on my price' and in the case of the guy asking $38k for a similar gun he claims to be unfired my reply when asking for pictures again was a nasty letter about how i value his gun.....there was a FNC on Sturm for $23.5k last year...i offered $11,500 and then $12,000....without a counter offer or email back.....then i see the gun listed for $11k and it sold in a day(really irritated me as i wanted that gun).....my experience with offering in FA guns has been horrible......it always seems to be a take it or leave it price....and if i offer $1,500 less its not even worthy of a response and i believe they feel im the low baller........Im not saying that if this gun is still here in a month that i wont offer.....but to offer $24k now when he thinks its a $28-$30k gun is going to be an insult....I will make the offer though......

[huggytree]

It has the wrong compensator on it, so it may have not have the original barrel either. Not a $27,000.00 gun, in my opinion.

 

its a 1942 parts gun.......i believe at the end of the 1928 run they just took whatever parts they had left and threw together 1928ac's.......so it could have a earlier model Cutts on it......at least thats what i got out of the American Thunder book.........i dont think there is a part on this gun that can be wrong unless its aftermarket...its whatever Bridgeport had left laying around to put a gun together with....i really dont see anyone putting a smooth barrel on a 1928...to me it lowers the value/desirability......the finned barrel is probably in the top 3 reasons someone would pick a 1928 vs a M1......for me the reason is the look....Drum, finned barrel, cuts, actuator style.......im sure the reasons would be different for each person, but ill bet most of my list would be included in everyones reasons

[Frank Iannamico]

That's a West Hurley compensator and it looks like it isn't pinned.

 

You can't pay too much for a machine gun, you just might pay it too soon.

[huggytree]

Looks like the "grinder" got away from the user to get rid of the US mark. The guy's shipping rates are out of line in my view. Seems to me that we've some offerings from this seller before, right?

 

 

i thought the same thing on the grinding off the US.....dont know if this effects the value, but it doesnt help it....definitely looks like someone had a I dont Give a Sh*t day though

 

shipping rates----im guessing he's including his time to package it or using UPS/FED EX....i looked into shipping an Uzi and it was similar pricing w/ UPS/FED EX and insurance....isnt USPS who everyone uses? (that Uzi i bought is about to ship and i have to pay for it next week)

Edited February 7, 2016 by huggytree

[huggytree]

That's a West Hurley compensator and it looks like it isn't pinned.

 

You can't pay too much for a machine gun, you just might pay it too soon.

HA.....sorry....i didnt get down to taking my books out to compare each part....didnt notice it was a newer compensator.....thanks for the heads

up... it sure looks nice and shiny compared to the rest of the gun doesnt it.....isnt a 1928 barrel threaded?

 

one thing w/ thompsons is they are all mismatched.....almost every one.........hard to find the diamond

 

hoping not to pay too much, but with few guns on the market and everyone $2-15k over priced its even more difficult....there are no good deals on any thompson listed right now....not even a fair deal.....all are over priced

Edited February 7, 2016 by huggytree

[Black River Militaria CII]

Areas of the receiver appear to me to have been worked with either fine steel wool or 400 grit wet or dry and then cold blued leaving a thin bluish-grey coloration. The gouge is clearly cold blued in the interior, so it is obvious that some refinishing has been done.The gouge compromises the value of this gun significantly. Barrel appears to be a replacement. Comments on compensator are correct. Rivets on sight appear to be replacements. Finish on lower appears more original and correct, but not on other areas of the receiver. The gun appears to me to be a charade and no amount of rationalization about factory parts gun or any other fantasy story is going to improve its provenance or current condition. fwiw Edited February 7, 2016 by Black River Militaria CII

[gijive]

huggytree,

 

Frank Iannamico answered the question, it is a current type West Hurley compensator. The barrel is likely a genuine barrel, I just indicated that it may not be the original barrel since the compensator isn't original. Yes, the 1928AC guns were basically made with leftover parts, but that may not be the original barrel that was on the gun when it was sold to law enforcement. There is usually no reason to change the compensator unless the barrel needs to be replaced and the West Hurley compensators weren't available when the gun was sold, so the compensator is a more recent replacement. In other words, it doesn't have all original GI parts and for that kind of money, it should.

[huggytree]

thanks for all the above info....looks like another one to skip....i will post pics when i get them in case someone else is interested....

 

out of the 5 guns ive considered that are currently on the market all have issues/risk and all are over priced

 

i have time....but it is frustrating.....im reminded again and again why my other 3 FA's were purchased NIB....cant do that with a Thompson unless i want a W.Hurley which i dont

[huggytree]

How hard to find a replacement cuts??

 

It just threads on right? So it's a simple fix correct?? Something I could do myself

[ron_brock]

Thread on yes, drill and pin, if you're handy.

 

I thought you found a NIB Thompson. I'm still waiting to see the box 🤓

 

Ron

[huggytree]

I listed the nib thompson on gb on another thread (i used term NIB, owner didnt....he said unfired)---maybe he could find a crate they came in and call it NICrate

 

He wants $38k and won't allow sandman to dissemble. It's on gb now for $30k starting and $38k reserve. He claims its unfired.

I'd like to inspect this gun and if close to real buy it. But the owner wants $11,000 more than it is worth even if his story is true

Edited February 8, 2016 by huggytree

[darrylta]

Buy Sandman's gun and be done with it, jhezz o pete

The internals your pining to see are unimportant, there

plentiful and cheap as dirt?

Darryl

[huggytree]

Buy Sandman's gun and be done with it, jhezz o pete

The internals your pining to see are unimportant, there

plentiful and cheap as dirt?

Darryl

 

would if i could

i was going to buy, then got excited about the UNFIRED 1928 instead for a day(or 2) ,then someone jumped in front of me, then they backed out and in the mean time i bought a M16 w/ the $$ assuming he had it sold already............then he did sell it to someone locally....its long gone!....6-7 weeks ago he sold it...i was going to make him an offer on the phone last time we talked, but someone was ahead of me in line and he is an honorable man who holds a gun for 1 person until they decline....good guy!

 

Jhezz o pete this is going to be a long road unless some nice guns start coming up.....or i buy Spiwaks and give up

 

the one i wish i really would have gotten was the Savage w/ colt parts that Ruben had.....i had blown that one off because the finish was poor...but wasnt educated enough to know what a gem that gun was

 

ill give it a month or 2.....Spiwaks is probably at the top of my list right now.....

Edited February 8, 2016 by huggytree

[buzz]

Take your time, huggytree

 

I think that the M1 and M1A1s are going up in price relative to the rest of the market but the MG prices overall are pretty flat

 

there's no big reason to jump on a purchase, unless you run across a huge bargain

 

be picky

[mnshooter]

Just assume you find an actual original unfired WWII 1928 for sale -probably in an alternate universe, but just assume.

 

Do you want to buy it so you can own the only unfired example?

 

Or, if you plan to shoot it, why?

Edited February 8, 2016 by mnshooter

[buzz]

I didn't pick up on the thing about buying an unfired Thompson

 

 

You do see unfired MGs turn up now and again if they were made in the 1980s

 

I have seen unfired MACs, UZIs, FNCs and M16A2s for sale

 

I have also seen unfired West Hurley Thompsons.

 

That's about it.

 

The chances of a pre-1945 Thompson going 70+ years and never being fired are zero.

 

Same as finding an unfired Garand or M1 carbine.

 

 

I like to buy guns that are arsenal rebuilds. A lot of times the gun will be in mint condition and rebuilt to the point that it is essentially a new gun.

 

Since the original finish and parts were vaporized during the rebuild, you don't have to worry about spoiling the gun's value by replacing a part or two.

 

 

A rebuild is not worth as much as a similar condition non-rebuilt gun.

 

American gun collectors put a huge premium on original parts and finish.

 

But any gun will have a "fair market value". If you buy the gun at that value or less, then you don't have to worry about reselling it later. All these guns sell quickly if the price is good.

 

I don't care about originality because I like to shoot guns and I don't like shooting an original collector gun, there's too much risk of spoiling the value.

 

 

I would not buy any gun unless its condition ranks as B+ or better.

 

I would also not buy some mutt that was refinished by a civilian owner. People who own pretty looking refinished guns always have this strange delusion that the gun is worth the same as an original gun. A lot of times the gun was refinished because it was abused and looked bad.

 

 

That's my 2 cents.

Edited February 8, 2016 by buzz

[huggytree]

Just assume you find an actual original unfired WWII 1928 for sale -probably in an alternate universe, but just assume.

 

Do you want to buy it so you can own the only unfired example?

 

Or, if you plan to shoot it, why?

 

i have (3) NIB guns coming right now

GI UZI, Ruger Kac556F and a M16a2 govt marked........i will most likely fire all 3.....the M16 ahhhh i dont know...it was extremely expensive....

 

i am fussy with my guns...i take very good care of them....my first gun was a Glock 19 when i was age 21 (im 45 now)....ive got 10,000+ rounds through it...still looks damn close to new.....i just prefer a nice looking gun.......im willing to pay the typical 10-15% premium to get NIB.....so HELL YES i would fire the ONLY Unfired Bridgport Thompson.....one of the reasons==no one believes its unfired anyways......but id be willing to pay $28,000 for it easy....(10-15% premium)

 

im just not the type of guy who throws his guns in the back of a pickup or on the ground....i consider a gun like a piece of art.....i dont wear white gloves, but if im shooting at my parents range i do lay the gun on a blanket when not in use.....im not the most anal person youve ever met, but i am somewhat anal with the things i enjoy and collect

 

if that Bridgeport is Unfired no way its worth the premium the guy has on it...no one will ever pay that until the market catches up in 10-20 years....i wish it was unfired and i wish he was reasonable with his pricing

[huggytree]

I didn't pick up on the thing about buying an unfired Thompson

 

 

You do see unfired MGs turn up now and again if they were made in the 1980s

 

I have seen unfired MACs, UZIs, FNCs and M16A2s for sale

 

I have also seen unfired West Hurley Thompsons.

 

That's about it.

 

The chances of a pre-1945 Thompson going 70+ years and never being fired are zero.

 

Same as finding an unfired Garand or M1 carbine.

 

 

I like to buy guns that are arsenal rebuilds. A lot of times the gun will be in mint condition and rebuilt to the point that it is essentially a new gun.

 

Since the original finish and parts were vaporized during the rebuild, you don't have to worry about spoiling the gun's value by replacing a part or two.

 

 

A rebuild is not worth as much as a similar condition non-rebuilt gun.

 

American gun collectors put a huge premium on original parts and finish.

 

But any gun will have a "fair market value". If you buy the gun at that value or less, then you don't have to worry about reselling it later. All these guns sell quickly if the price is good.

 

I don't care about originality because I like to shoot guns and I don't like shooting an original collector gun, there's too much risk of spoiling the value.

 

 

I would not buy any gun unless its condition ranks as B+ or better.

 

I would also not buy some mutt that was refinished by a civilian owner. People who own pretty looking refinished guns always have this strange delusion that the gun is worth the same as an original gun. A lot of times the gun was refinished because it was abused and looked bad.

 

 

That's my 2 cents.

 

right now the only gun on my list is Spiwaks.....i dont think his pricing is horrible on the gun, but i think its a bit high.....im willing to wait a few months....i prefer to get it moving before the new rules kick in as i dont want the govt. to have my fingerprints and pic tied to the gun if i can avoid it....so there is a time crunch there...im not going to buy a POS just to avoid the fingerprints.......i know its a machine gun and the govt. should keep track of people who own them to some degree...the fingerprint/mug shot thing just bug me........that may push me to buy a gun i might pass on otherwise if nothing shows up in the next 30 days....Sandman has a Colt he's selling...waiting for pricing on it and pics.....judging by his last gun i know he collects quality....something new shows up each week....problem is pricing...its going really high lately and no one is buying....its 2 opposites colliding.....at some point the market will raise its prices or those sellers will drop their prices....seems like thompsons just jumped $2-3k in the last 30 days without 1 selling

[buzz]

I never used a trust

 

I don't care if my prints are recorded.

 

If you buy the gun on a trust, the government has your name and address and from a legal standpoint that's about the same as if they had your photo, fingerprints and a DNA sample.

 

 

As far as pricing goes, there's nothing wrong with making a counter offer, same as buying anything else.

 

A lot of sellers will do a fishing expedition, trying to hook a big spender, for a month or two and then they'll get frustrated and drop the price to make a sale.

Edited February 8, 2016 by buzz

[huggytree]

I never used a trust

 

I don't care if my prints are recorded.

 

If you buy the gun on a trust, the government has your name and address and from a legal standpoint that's about the same as if they had your photo, fingerprints and a DNA sample.

 

 

As far as pricing goes, there's nothing wrong with making a counter offer, same as buying anything else.

 

A lot of sellers will do a fishing expedition, trying to hook a big spender, for a month or two and then they'll get frustrated and drop the price to make a sale.

i agree with everything your saying.....the govt. knows who i am either way........also about the fishing expedition by sellers.....the high priced guns sit