coastie70 Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 I have an M2 that is at the Class III shop awaiting approval of my Form 4 submitted in October. I just saw this complete trigger group listed on Gunbroker: it is item 616445325 sorry, I couldn't get the hyperlink to work to copy here, but I think this is a violation, appears to have all 7 deadly parts. I emailed the seller who says if you have a form 4 M2, you can have all these spares?? what do you experts think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadycon Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Check in with these folks, This has been discussed a lot.M1carbineforum.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim c 351 Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Coastie,You are correct. The BATF would consider the parts a unregistered machine gun.If the BATF discovers the ad they will probably buy it , then charge with possession and dealing.Jim C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim c 351 Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) Here's the link. Jim C http://www.gunbroker.com/item/616445325 Edited February 5, 2017 by jim c 351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastie70 Posted February 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Thanks Jim. I tried to explain that to seller but he dismissed me as being full of "drama", I don't wish bad things for him, but i tried to help him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB of CJ Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Wow. No tax stamp? None? I counted all the parts. Looks like all the seven deadly sins plus the M2 trigger housing. Also looked for language indicating a single part was registered. None that I could see. Looks very suspicious indeed. I for one would not touch that with a ten foot pole. A fishing expedition? Respectfully. All Oregon State Laws, US Code Laws And NFA Rules Apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastie70 Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Thanks HB of CJ, I have read your posts on other boards and believe you and Jim C 351 are on top of the NFA rules so I am glad your understanding matches mine.I made an offer to the seller for all the parts EXCEPT the trip lever because that is the registered part on the carbine that I am waiting on Form 4 approval for. I KNOW I can't own TWO of the registered part. However this Seller thinks otherwise. My ten foot pole is in place now but $250 is a steal for the parts less the trip lever. I don't think it's fishing given his GunBroker rating, but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB of CJ Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 coastie70: I'm wondering right now if it may be possible to have the guy delete the rocker then ship the rest to your Class 3 dealer? Instead of shipping it directly to you? The question remains would your local friendly Class 3 Dealer want to sign in on the deal? And ... how $much$ the dealer might charge. This would be a legal cut out protecting you. But .... that being said, still too many alarm bells are ringing inside my feeble mind. The guy has to know what he has? He also has to know what he is selling right now is very non legal? Years in prison non legal. Too many questions not being answered. There are some goodies languishing at my local friend Class 3 dealers big vault room because I do not want to even be close having command and control issues. My situation is not unique regarding all the strange rulings with M2 Carbine ownership. Yikes indeed. All Oregon, US Code Laws, And NFA Rules Apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastie70 Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 HB of CJI have decided to wash my hands of this guy. He IS CERTAIN that a form 4 holder can have ALL THESE "SPARE PARTS". I tried to tell him otherwise and he said my comments were "drama". There is a bidder for $255 who might win a felony. I have been practicing law in Virginia for 39 years. I know a bit about the NFA and tried to help this guy. He rejected my suggestions. He will probably skate under the radar and remain convinced he is correct. C'est la vie!Coastie 70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car wash chris Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 He's skating on thin ice, it's possible that it may NOT have a M2 sear, { we can't see it }, If that's the case then it could be sold as parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB of CJ Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) The M2 sear is not one of the seven, (7) deadly sins. Neither is the M2 trigger housing. What it LOOKED like, (maybe wrong also) is that he had the 1) M2 hammer, 2) disconnecter block, 3) spring, 4) plunger, 5) trip lever, 6) switch and 7) the switch spring. No determined tax stamp? All assembled into the M2 trigger housing. It would not matter about the sear. These seven distinct M2 parts all by themselves make up a legal definition of a machine gun as determined by the BATFE, assembled or just loose together? Some help here please? Yikes! Respectfully. My opinion only which may be wrong. All Oregon, US Code Laws And NFA Rules Apply. Edited February 20, 2017 by HB of CJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64atlas Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) The 7 partshttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/n64atlas/m2parts.jpg Edited February 20, 2017 by n64atlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car wash chris Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Thanks guys , My bad not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that. I forgot the the spring and plunger are counted as two parts, and for some reason thought the sear was. It's more embarrassing to say that you would think I would remember something like that, being I own a registered kit. LOL Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tor Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Hi. I think i read somwhere that you only coud posess 5 of the 7 parts leagaly, is this right or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmagee1917 Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 You can own tons of any six and be legal . I , however , would not trust the missing part to be the plunger or it's spring or even the 9-spring . But that's me .I WAS told that I could have as many spare parts as I wanted if I had a registered reciever gun , HOWEVER , this was by an inspector over the phone ( they are often wrong ) and I did not get a letter , AND , at the time the RR was the only M1 carbine I owned , AND , this was back in the early 80s , a lot has changed.Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 If you have a registered receiver gun you can have any and all of them as spares. If you have a kit, it gets grayer. Guys who spend 5K+ on a 700 gun and have a book of stamps show their intent is compliance with the rules and that is what counts, or so I have been told by atf agents. Unless you know the seller and their situation don't second guess it. For all you know the guy has an 02/07? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geefal Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 If you have a registered receiver gun you can have any and all of them as spares. If you have a kit, it gets grayer. Guys who spend 5K+ on a 700 gun and have a book of stamps show their intent is compliance with the rules and that is what counts, or so I have been told by atf agents. Unless you know the seller and their situation don't second guess it. For all you know the guy has an 02/07?Truth People being antsy about a non issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 I wonder how places like SARCO, GPC, Springfield sporters, etc handle having these parts in stock or in a box somewhere in back ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB of CJ Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Probably because they have a working arrangement with local BATFE, plus PROBABLY all the special occupational licenses to possess such? Or maybe it is a case where they keep very close track of specific M2 inventory and only stock and have on hand in possession and control 5 or maybe 6 of the 7 deadly sins? Only a guess here by me alone. Yep, with multiple M1 Carbines with various parts plus a couple of M2 Carbines, one perhaps with a receiver, the other perhaps with a registered specific M2 part, it gets very gray very quickly. Like already said, that tax stamp covers you and your specific M2? Otherwise practically every big shooting match or gun show might have concerns? Respectfully. Just me. All Oregon State, US Code Laws And NFA Rules Apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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