brucea4 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Hi all, One of the downfalls depending on the way one looks at it is the wiring required when the gas assembly is taken down and cleaned on the standard M60. I would be interested with other owner's outlook on keeping the bolts on the barrel " without " the constant rewiring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) Don't do it.I used to not re-wire mine. Then the gas plug fell out the bottom. That allowed just enough gas pressure to cycle the bolt through the fire and eject sequence but not enough to drive it back to where it would sear up. The result was a runaway. everything went downrange and into the backstop but just the same NFG. BTW if you're interested my M60 links for sale are posted on the ammo board at Sturmgewehr.com Edited March 27, 2019 by StrangeRanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 If you get the wire tie tool it's a breeze, and then you can use it on M37's and M2HB's to tie them off as well. I think I paid $35? Aside from practicality, I do like the look when it's done. Course I like German guns better that avoid such nonsense altogether. I have shot without in the past, but based on Strangeranger's experience I don't think I will do that again. Most of the time I have an E3 barrel on it and now I know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxim Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 In my experience, the rear nut, that the operating rod passes through, needs to be wired as well. After a lot of firing one day, the gas piston had beat on it, and had unscrewed it enough that it had tightened to the tube the op rod rides in. That froze the barrel release lever, so that we had to beat on it to release the barrel. The gun suffered no damage, and was not fired again without all safety wires in place. I still have my wire twister pliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucea4 Posted March 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 So, I get the fact that the gun should not be fired without the wire holding on to the nuts in the front & rear. I was just wondering if Loctite would work as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 Front, rear AND bottom.The way you remove Loctited parts is to heat them which de-activates the Loctite. The gas system gets hot, very hot. I would not recommend it as an alternative to safety wire. Seriously, just buy a pair of safety wire pliers and learn to use them. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=25033 This is the pair I have, you can spend a lot more for the professional grade units from Milbar but you're not servicing 737s 8/5/52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucea4 Posted March 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 I guess Loctite is out of the question. I have an old M60 military manual. I guess I'll check it out and see if there are instructions how to wire it up correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 TM 9-1005-224-24, Page 2-10, Fig 2-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucea4 Posted March 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 I will look that up when I get a chance. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 I got the Milbar's off the ebay for cheap NIB. I almost bought a chopper back in the day......so you never really know when you might need good ones? Glad I got that out of my system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucea4 Posted March 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 TM 9-1005-224-24, Page 2-10, Fig 2-7Found it...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucea4 Posted March 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 Does anyone know where there possibly could be a video on wiring up the gas assembly? A static picture doesn't help me much..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) It's really quite simple:Feed the wire through the retaining hole in the plug/collar you want to secure and clamp the free ends a few inches away from the plug/collar in the pliersPull the knob at the rear end of the pliers, this will cause them to spin and twist the wire, only twist a short portionUnclamp the wires and feed the free ends around the lug on the barrel shown in Fig. 2-7Reclamp the free ends and pull on the knob again till the twisted portion of the wire is very nearly tight around the barrel lugUse the side cutters on the pliers to trim the free endsBend the twisted end out of the wayRepeat on the other two plugs/collars You WILL screw it up the first couple of times you try but safety wire is cheap Edited March 29, 2019 by StrangeRanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucea4 Posted March 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 I do thank you for the explanation. My gun is in NFA jail right now but I will try on my Shrike barrel. Havent decided if I want the cheap pliers or the expensive ones??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 Edited instructions, please re-read step one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normal1959 Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 I use the wire pliers and get great satisfaction treating the job like art work. With the right wire and the right pliers, you can make it look beautiful.Super easy. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 Safety wire: Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normal1959 Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 Here is one i did Takes a bit a practice the first time to be satisfied with the job.Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucea4 Posted March 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 Very kool video, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 Eric,you forgot to wire the bottom plug. That's the one that caused my issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normal1959 Posted March 30, 2019 Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 Eric,you forgot to wire the bottom plug. That's the one that caused my issues I knew that would get caught after I posted it. LolI'm on it. ThanksEric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucea4 Posted March 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 Wow....I went on Amazon to look for these pliers and there were dozens to choose from..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DINK Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 Yes- I went through this fairly recently with M60 barrels and was worried about the whole safety wire thing, but as you discovered, there are dozens of pliers and kits including rolls of wire available for not much money and they are really easy to use. By the time I was done with the third barrel I was producing very professional-looking safety wires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucea4 Posted March 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 Well, I will have one new barrel and one pretty darn close to new so I don't expect to be tearing the gas assembly down anytime soon. But. I will get a pair of these pliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normal1959 Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) I ran into the same thing (on Amazon) and ended up with 2 choices of pliers that i bought and at least 3 guages of wire spools. I'm ready for the zombies.Eric Edited April 1, 2019 by Normal1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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