allweaponsww2 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Hello everybody! Who has the information. I have a confusion about Beretta Mod. 1938/43. This is one and the same Beretta Mod. 1938/44 or different models? MAB 38/42 MAB 38/43 ??? MAB 38/44 Thank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanister Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 They are the same models that were gradualy semplified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkg3k Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 My 38/43 had the captured recoil spring of the 38/42, but not its fluted barrel. The 38/44 has a conventional recoil spring like the STEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) I dont think there was ever a 38/43 mfg designation. It was generally considered the 43 or second generation 38/42 with the gun had simplified markings and smooth barrel. My Beretta is registered as a 38/42 but has the smooth barrel old style 42 bolt with the small diameter captured spring and simplified markings. Edited May 25, 2020 by Petroleum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfaxdude Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 I dont think there was ever a 38/43 mfg designation. It was generally considered the 43 or second generation 38/42 with the gun had simplified markings and smooth barrel. My Beretta is registered as a 38/42 but has the smooth barrel old style 42 bolt with the small diameter captured spring and simplified markings. Nice looking gun Petroleum. I like those those double triggers! Is it a good shooter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkg3k Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 I dont think there was ever a 38/43 mfg designation. It was generally considered the 43 or second generation 38/42 That may be...however, I bought my 38/43 way back in the day before I knew the model existed. I submitted the Form 4 and put "38/42" in box 4d because I thought "38/43" was an error...ATF kicked it back and made me change it to "38/43." There's also more than a few military weapon references which also use "38/43"...so there's that. Beautiful 38/42 BTW... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanister Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkg3k Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 Wow...learn something every day. Have a link / reference? There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanister Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 Wow...learn something every day. Have a link / reference? No, not only one but many. But they are all in Italian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkg3k Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 No, not only one but many. But they are all in Italian. Grazie Comunque! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering38 Posted September 7, 2020 Report Share Posted September 7, 2020 There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them “38/42” and “38/43”, it would seem they were using these designations officially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanister Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them “38/42” and “38/43”, it would seem they were using these designations officially. This is not a theory but what says Mr. Balzi on his book "I mitra italiani 1\915- 1991" that wrote in collaboration with the former director of the Gardone proof house and many Beretta's engineers. Edited September 8, 2020 by kanister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allweaponsww2 Posted September 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them “38/42” and “38/43”, it would seem they were using these designations officially.Thanks for your reply! Tell me what to do then with paratroopers "Modello 1". This SMG is known to everyone as Beretta Modello 1, from 1942-43 ?? 7198FRh37NL.jpg Edited September 11, 2020 by allweaponsww2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 Id love to find one of those stocks for my dads 38/44. They are great shooters and even more fun when you mount a red dot on them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them 38/42 and 38/43, it would seem they were using these designations officially.Do you have an example of a 38/43 marking on a smg?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering38 Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons. How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them “38/42” and “38/43”, it would seem they were using these designations officially.This is not a theory but what says Mr. Balzi on his book "I mitra italiani 1\915- 1991" that wrote in collaboration with the former director of the Gardone proof house and many Beretta's engineers. 7198FRh37NL.jpg Well it is not correct, because there are very many guns marked “38/42” and I have a parts kit from a veteran bringback of paratrooper version that is marked “38/43” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering38 Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 Here are a couple photos of the 38/43 paratroop model. It was a deactivated war trophy welded in the chamber, and the receiver was torch cut later. The stock was missing when I got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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