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What about Beretta Mod 1938/43 ?


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I dont think there was ever a 38/43 mfg designation. It was generally considered the 43 or second generation 38/42 with the gun had simplified markings and smooth barrel. My Beretta is registered as a 38/42 but has the smooth barrel old style 42 bolt with the small diameter captured spring and simplified markings.

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I dont think there was ever a 38/43 mfg designation. It was generally considered the 43 or second generation 38/42 with the gun had simplified markings and smooth barrel. My Beretta is registered as a 38/42 but has the smooth barrel old style 42 bolt with the small diameter captured spring and simplified markings.

 

Nice looking gun Petroleum. I like those those double triggers! Is it a good shooter?

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I dont think there was ever a 38/43 mfg designation. It was generally considered the 43 or second generation 38/42

 

That may be...however, I bought my 38/43 way back in the day before I knew the model existed. I submitted the Form 4 and put "38/42" in box 4d because I thought "38/43" was an error...ATF kicked it back and made me change it to "38/43." There's also more than a few military weapon references which also use "38/43"...so there's that.

 

Beautiful 38/42 BTW...

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There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.

The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.

The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.

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Wow...learn something every day. Have a link / reference?

 

 

There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.

The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.

The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.

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There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.

The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.

The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.

How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them “38/42” and “38/43”, it would seem they were using these designations officially.

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There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.

The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.

The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.

How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them “38/42” and “38/43”, it would seem they were using these designations officially.

 

This is not a theory but what says Mr. Balzi on his book "I mitra italiani 1\915- 1991" that wrote in collaboration with the former director of the Gardone proof house and many Beretta's engineers.

 

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There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.

The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.

The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.

How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them “38/42” and “38/43”, it would seem they were using these designations officially.

Thanks for your reply! Tell me what to do then with paratroopers "Modello 1". This SMG is known to everyone as Beretta Modello 1, from 1942-43 ??

 

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There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.

The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.

The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.

How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them 38/42 and 38/43, it would seem they were using these designations officially.
Do you have an example of a 38/43 marking on a smg??
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There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.

The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.

The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.

 

How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them “38/42” and “38/43”, it would seem they were using these designations officially.

This is not a theory but what says Mr. Balzi on his book "I mitra italiani 1\915- 1991" that wrote in collaboration with the former director of the Gardone proof house and many Beretta's engineers.

 

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Well it is not correct, because there are very many guns marked “38/42” and I have a parts kit from a veteran bringback of paratrooper version that is marked “38/43”

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