GWick123 Posted November 8, 2022 Report Share Posted November 8, 2022 What are thoughts on the latest value of a 38/42 fluted with all the right marks? I have been on the fence with selling it and again contemplating whether I should. The site that values them based on prior sales pegs it at right around 30ish. Does that seem accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted November 8, 2022 Report Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) Only the Best has an M38/43 listed at $30K and and a somewhat nicer M38/43 (plain barrel) at $27K He's had them listed for quite a few months at those prices so he may be a bit high Edited November 8, 2022 by StrangeRanger more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfaxdude Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) I bought a C&R M38/42 in good condition off of Gunbroker in September 2021 for $17,700 as pictured below. Original receiver that is properly marked with no import markings. Shoots well with no issues. Nice bore. Matching barrel and receiver but stock is not matching. Replaced a partially rusted trigger spring. MG Price Guide has the average at $30 K which I think is too high. FMV is in the low to mid $20K range. Edited November 9, 2022 by maxfaxdude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, maxfaxdude said: I bought a C&R M38/42 in good condition off of Gunbroker in September 2021 for $17,700 as pictured below. ...and outbid me for it. IIRC I quit somewhere around $17 or $17.5, forget which so I pretty much agree with maxfax's judgement on price There's a refinished one coming up at Morphy's next week. It should test current market. https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/_N__ITALIAN_WORLD_WAR_II_BERETTA_MODEL_38_42_SUBMA-LOT537552.aspx Edited November 9, 2022 by StrangeRanger added link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWick123 Posted November 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 The price variances are so extreme. Guess the lack of sales doesn't help. I had posted pics earlier, but here it is again. 1968 Amnesty gun and I have the original paperwork. All numbers matching, never refinished. What looks like a crack was done by the factory. They did it to save materials - has a dove joint down the center. Has the 4UT stamp as well as a couple others. I also have the sling mount, just wasn't on in these pics. Will be interesting to see the Morphy's sale. Thanks for the responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted November 16, 2022 Report Share Posted November 16, 2022 I just won the 38/42 at Morphy's for $17K hammer. 😁 With 20% premium and 6.75% OH tax that's $21, 777 plus shipping so that probably indicates the current market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autorotate Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 Congratulations! I’m happy someone on the boards won it… Was bidding against you but dropped out at $17 k as that seems to be where the 38/42 is these days. Would like to know when you get the gun if the serial number is still visible on the stock? The refinished stock certainly has beautiful grain in the wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 I agree about the wood, very nice grain. If I can strip that wretched shiny finish without raising the grain I'll redo it in a proper boiled linseed oil (I don't want to sand it and destroy what's left of the markings) Forgotten Weapons did 2 videos on that exact gun last month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autorotate Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 How cool is that? You should download and save so it will be part of the gun’s history and you can use it as a tool when you (or your heirs) eventually sell the gun and let someone else be the caretaker. I’m in agreement, that although beautiful grain, the first thing I would have done is to return it to the boiled linseed oil finish. Maybe if we are lucky it will transfer to you in time to bring it to next years TATA shoot at the Hill’s ? Would be nice to see it in person and see how it shoots. Once again, glad one of “us” was the successful bidder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWick123 Posted November 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 Thanks for the info and congrats on the purchase! Looks like a nice acquisition for sure. As I mentioned above, it's seems very difficult to determine a true value. I do think my gun will be a bit north of that, but hard to tell how much; Is it $10, $10K or sell for and unlikely $54K on Morphy's (referencing the one that sold really high)? It's fluted, not refinished, matching #s and has all of the right marks (even some that I couldn't find answers to after much research). I also know the exact history as a bring back and am not anxious to see it go (family). That said, we may be moving and who knows if it will be a state where I can't have it. Thought about listing it similar to the one at Only the Best and see what happens ... keep waffling though for so many reasons. Decisions, decisions! Again, nice purchase and congrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyDixon Posted November 20, 2022 Report Share Posted November 20, 2022 i notice no front sling swivle in barrel,,i hope you can find one,, does it have cleaning rod in stock ? just sayn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfaxdude Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 Congrats on the purchase... These SMGs are fun and easy to shoot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 Got Uzi's father has one that I've shot and you're right about how nice they are. I never expected to win it for that price. The only things I can figure are that the refinished stock turned people off or that since it was the first item on the block at 9AM it's possible that a lot of people may have missed it. Either way, I'm not complaining, (except for the time it will take for the E4 from my dealer to me to clear but that's a whole different thread.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWick123 Posted November 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 It does have the sling swivel, although not in the picture but not the cleaning rod. I haven't seen any with the cleaning rod listed or shown in pics, so don't know if that would really have any material effect on the price, however, you may certainly be correct. It's certainly not perfect, it's a war relic from the 40's, but it is the right model with the right markings (from what I understand). I also have no illusions that I'll get over $50k, if so, I would bury my hesitation and sell immediately. I have been thinking about it for quite a while and watching the prices. The catalyst may be a potential move coming up in the next year. Thanks for the feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifthmdec Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 We sold our 38/42 for $16k about 4 months ago to a private party. Had it for a little more than 15 years. We were the 3rd owners. It was as Amnesty registered. It was originally acquired in 1944. Prices are all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 On 11/16/2022 at 8:14 AM, StrangeRanger said: I just won the 38/42 at Morphy's for $17K hammer. 😁 With 20% premium and 6.75% OH tax that's $21, 777 plus shipping so that probably indicates the current market To bring bigger money it would have had to have original finish on both the gun and barrel, and most importantly the fluted barrel. Still a decent value in that condition IMO. .....oh, no magazine....a $29 deduct there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Henley Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 How about Ruben's 38-42 at $34,995: Beretta 38-42, 9mm, C&R - NFA Market Board - Sturmgewehr.com Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 A much nicer Beretta than the one I won 2 auctions ago for a $17K hammer went at the most recent Morphy's for a $12K hammer. Go figure. Unless there's provenance that proves this is the gun that shot Mussolini I would say that Ruben is smokin' something other than tobacco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Henley Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 Midwest Tactical has a 38/42 listed now at $30K: GunSpot.com | Gun Auction: Beretta 38/42 Transferable Machine Gun Their email states $27,495, so I guess this is their asking price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 And it's a Beretta 38/42 with a 38/44 bolt assembly. Not a bad thing, /44 bolts work just fine in a /42 but it's not original. I think MWT is basing their price on Ruben and OTB rather than the realized prices at RIA and Morphy's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) I did a little research on MAB 38/42 prices. I pulled everything I could find for the last couple of years. The auction house prices include premium but not shipping or taxes RIA: $57.5K realized nothing special here no clue why it went for this Ruben: $35K asking MWT: $30K asking ($27.5 in email list) OTB: $30K asking, sales price unknown but OTB is not known to negotiate OTB: $27K asking, sales price unknown but OTB is not known to negotiate Morphy: $25.2K realized Waffenamt marked Morphy: $20.4K realized refinished stock (the one that I bought) Morphy: $15.6K realized really nice (sold in the next auction after mine) Morphy: $14.4K realized fairly rough condition If you can figure market price from this list you're smarter than I am Edited July 31, 2023 by StrangeRanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 Add this rather nice specimen to the list for $19K and we my be seeing a downward trend. If so too bad about Ruben's $35K offering...not https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1001886316 (not mine, don't know the seller) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORE Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 The gun on GB is re-activated non C&R gun... The seller just increased the price to $25.9 K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 Makes perfect sense. If it doesn't sell at $19K raise the price to $26K🙄 $19K for a really nice rewat was high but still in range. $26K is stupid money...but maybe they'll find a stupid buyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted September 5, 2023 Report Share Posted September 5, 2023 Another real world data point: The 38/42 on the block at Morphy's today hammered at $19K, $23,370 realized with the premium but without tax or S&H. It hadn't been refinished and there was more than a little patina and it had the fluted barrel https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=573477 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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