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I was shopping for replicas, and I found this piece.  

I was going to skip on by, then the underside of the receiver caught my eye.  Two welds seem to be keeping the SMG bolt from moving.

Getting the photos to post, I noted the true dewat artistry, a weld on the trigger control group.  Well that settles it, two welds in the receiver and one on the trigger control group, perfect!

It does seem strange to me to leave the original parts in the gun, unless it was dewatted so long ago that it didn't matter.

This seems like a much more efficient way to deactivate a gun whilst preserving history.....

On one hand, not too bad a price compared to a totally messed up gunbroker display piece,  The seller ironically, or unironically has a 99.8% satisfaction index.  I would definitely only give him one star from my federally provided computer.

The reason I posted this was more, how long ago was it that this was "normal" anywhere?

 

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+1 for benedw60

Why only "one star from my federally provided computer?" When I had a federally provided computer, I did not use it to post on gunboards. However, I knew others with federally provided computers that would post on gunboards if part of an official investigation. 

Based on the receiver markings it appears to be an 80,000 serial numbered Savage Model of 1928 Thompson submachine gun that was purchased by the British military during World War II. If this Thompson is located outside the USA, it is probably a legal deac in some foreign country. These are very commonplace in the UK and Europe. If it is located inside the USA, it better be on an IRS or ATF form and possessed by the lawful owner. If not, it may be contraband and probably illegal to possess by a civilian. I am guessing Europe because the standards for deactivation in the USA for what are usually called "dewats" involved welding a rod inside the barrel and welding the barrel to the frame. There are many properly registered IRS Form 5 dewats in the USA. Obviously, you think something is amiss because you have covered the serial number. So, what are you fishing for?

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Back in the old days (1950’s?) I believe “DEWATS” (deactivated war trophy) were sold thru the mail without restriction. Quite often the only deactivating done was to weld a plug in the barrel, and weld the barrel to the receiver. 
   What really mattered was that the Dewat got registered before the end of the 1968 amnesty. 
   The extent and precision of the welding of the gun in your photos is beyond the simple plug and weld routine which was common in USA so my guess is that this gun was deactivated in Europe which has different laws. 
   As mentioned if the gun is in the USA and not registered it is not legal.

   You say you were “shopping” and “found” this. Really? Anyone but a complete moron knows that this is not legal. How about a link so we can all see…

Bob

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36 minutes ago, Motorcar said:

Not an expert on welding...do the welds look fairly fresh to the rest of you? No rust or oxidization on the beads, a little too fresh maybe?

 

Yeah...fairly fresh, and MIG from the looks of those puddles; the FCG was also freshly ground to allow the weld to stick and the sear hasn't oxidized yet. The whole gun has been pretty poorly blued too, just look at the rear sight!

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The most messed up part about getting arrested for a “dewat” dummy gun is there is different standards for different people. IMA-USA sells all types of welded up dummy guns with all original parts, but they get a special letter of determination classifying it as non a machine gun, which is completely within the law and good for them.

 

but my point being is you could have two exact Dummy guns sitting next to each other, that were welded up the exact same way. The only difference between the two is a letter from the atf stating “this is not a machine gun”

 

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SO lets see you have a lump of wood and steel that can be used as a heavy club.and you suffer a fine or otherwise for it. we really do live in a really free country don't we.I bought a M3A1 grease gun. with paper around 1973, just unscrewed the inside filled with 45 acp casing and lead rod in barrel. installed new and it was ready to go. It cost me $50.00 for the gun.Sold to a buddy in wisc. who later sold it for around $5g

Another 1928 Thompson sold later same deal. and at the Indiana and Illinois shows guys would be in parking lots trying to sell 1968 mgc MP-40's FOR REAL WW2 BRINGBACKS.They would always ask between $300 to $400 for what cost like $50 bucks

I would look at a few and say wow no inside trunnion. but you did good taking out the pot metal in the barrel.with no lands and grooves.....And the cheap plastic versus Bakelite always gave it away. some defaced the marking in back to make it the real deal.

they also did it with Sten kits.

One time a doc. arrived with Mummified wrap MP-44  with sling and mag. just a punch down the bore to knock out a rod.soldered in it...you would not believe the AR-10S and the Chinese under folder  out of Canada fully function. new in wrap.

the MP-44 was absolutely brand new.

those times are long gone for sure.

And i would say there are thousands out there. since myself alone have seen and handled 100's.heck there could be a million. and as decades pass on so do those guns or paper weights.

 

Many do not know because they never got that deeply involved with much of it. post-504-0-41610500-1615494414_thumb.jpg 

 

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 The IMA welded-up guns are specially made. The older ones they did they cut 3/4” out of the receiver and all matching parts and welded the whole thing together so the end result was a dummy that was 3/4” shorter.

  The current weld-ups have a 2”piece of the receiver cut out and replaced with a solid piece and the whole thing is welded together.

  So the IMA guns are not the same as all the other weld-ups we see because of the missing or missing and replaced sections.

  All of the Thompsons and some others that we see are mating parts which are not at all like the IMA stuff. 
 

  So if you weld up mating parts, it’s a no go. But if you do, it’s not the same as what IMA is doing.

Bob

 

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