NOBUCKL Kerr Slings With Larger Font & Different Location of Patent Date

[TSMGguy]

While We're at it, M1 TSMG with M1917 Kerr sling...

 

[Ryan M]

I apologize if I keep resurrecting this old thread, but this by far seems to be one of the more detailed threads I've read.

Has anybody seen or have any information on sling swivels like this on a Kerr sling?  Everywhere I've looked I have not seen anything referenced.

[rpbcps]

On 12/12/2024 at 11:14 AM, rpbcps said:

There has not been much on the UK market recently that interested me. Then this week another soldered XX mag came onto the market, so I added that to the other five soldered XX mags in my collection. This one, using the description given on Roger Herbst's excellent reference book for Thompson mags, is a seventh generation AO mag.

The other item which was listed as a "Naval Thompson Sling", UK dealers often invent or exaggerated descriptions I have found. This one is actually a white, which appears to have 'blued' a little with age, cotton Kerr 'NoBuckl' sling.

I am no expert on web gear, far from it as I have had little interst in it, (apart from the web gear I used in service) , so I have been doing some research on the subject of the Kerr slings and I believe this could have been used on a number of weapons over the years, incl. the M1903, M1917, Krag rifles, as well as the Thompson. On one forum I read "  I don't think the Kerr was actually designed for any rifle in particular, but was simply a "standard" private manufacture, patent sling, which the government happened to procure by way of saving leather".

On my sling, the brass fixtures are well marked, with the NoBuckl logo and patent date 7-21-14.

In all the forums and references I have found, they all mention the slings coming in a mustard / tan colour or later produced slings in OD green.

There is no mention, I have found, of any white slings being produced, so maybe this is an abnormality or it has been bleached during its extensive service?

Any thoughts on the 'white' sling?

[rpbcps]

1 hour ago, Ryan M said:

I apologize if I keep resurrecting this old thread, but this by far seems to be one of the more detailed threads I've read.

Has anybody seen or have any information on sling swivels like this on a Kerr sling?  Everywhere I've looked I have not seen anything referenced.

Could they have been added by an individual soldier to make life easier fitting the sling? 

Over the years and in service I have seen individuals modifying kit themselves. Including myself, in the 1980's I had US 'ALICE' clips added to my French issued water canteen holder, a few other Legionnaires copied my lead on that one.

Another idea I toyed with in Chad in 1988, was making an early 'camelbak', using a US  Army Vietnam era 5 quart water bladder/ floatation device and a rubber tube.

Missed my opportunity to earn millions by not trademarking the idea ?

Edited August 8, 2025 by rpbcps
Added 5 Quart bladder

[ron_brock]

1 hour ago, Ryan M said:

I apologize if I keep resurrecting this old thread, but this by far seems to be one of the more detailed threads I've read.

Has anybody seen or have any information on sling swivels like this on a Kerr sling?  Everywhere I've looked I have not seen anything referenced.

Those are Winchester hook style sling swivels.  The sling was likely used for something else at the time.  I have a Winchester model 10SL with them, but they were widely used on all sorts of sporting arms.

 

Ron 

[Mk VII]

Hooks of this type, in various widths, are often found on British .22 target rifle slings.  It was common to have an eye screwed into the stock of a Martini conversion. 

Edited August 10, 2025 by Mk VII