An Estimated 4000 Pre-Sample Machine Guns to be Re-Classified as Transferable

[colt21a]

YOU MEAN A M249 WITH 2 37MM LAUNCHERS ASIDE IT.JUST A GUN SHOW BUY ME PROP FROM YEARS AGO.

I had 3 M249s sold them all, it was a fun run for decades.and well over 5,000 guns.

[firearm]

ATF called last week asking me if I had a Hurley gun in my inventory that someone transferred to me 37 years ago. No, I do not and never have. He emailed me a copy of the approved form 3 with my name on it and said there was a form 3 approved to another class 3 dealer with the same serial number about the same time. After a couple of days of research, I found that it was a typo on the form 3 by the dealer in San Antonio that was never voided. In any case, I called him back, and we worked it all out. I hinted how screwed up the BATF was in DC back then and he concurred. While I had him on the phone, I struck up a conversation pertaining to Pre-86 samples becoming transferable and he said that was true. I asked him about a factory Pre-86 HK MP5K that I kept all these years, and he confirmed that it was now classified as transferable. Nice stroke of luck. Not many of these around. I still probably have about 20 or so Pre-86's in stock so maybe I will get lucky again. Also speaks as to why so many class 3 dealers have been calling me wanting to buy Pre-86 samples over the last couple of months.

Edited March 11 by firearm

[BillinBama]

I haven't checked in a while to see if any more of my guns have changed status.  I originally had four to change, but after a few days two reverted back to pre status.  Now I see that one of my MP5's has changed, whoo-hoo!  Kind of like a tax refund check you didn't know was coming.  Should I sell it before it changes again?  Who knows?

[RoscoeTurner]

ATF document dealing with this subject.  Meat of the matter begins on page 16.

https://www.atf.gov/docs/undefined/fair2024-nfa922opresentationnfad508cpdf/download

This from page 21 -

"Machineguns Imported for Government Use and Lawfully Possessed Prior to May 19, 1986

• NFA Division has experienced increased inquiries questioning whether a pre-86, imported machinegun is transferable.

• ATF is aware that it has been reported that ATF has determined that “4,000” pre-86, imported machineguns are now transferable.

• This is false."

 

[BillinBama]

4 hours ago, RoscoeTurner said:

ATF document dealing with this subject.  Meat of the matter begins on page 16.

https://www.atf.gov/docs/undefined/fair2024-nfa922opresentationnfad508cpdf/download

This from page 21 -

"Machineguns Imported for Government Use and Lawfully Possessed Prior to May 19, 1986

• NFA Division has experienced increased inquiries questioning whether a pre-86, imported machinegun is transferable.

• ATF is aware that it has been reported that ATF has determined that “4,000” pre-86, imported machineguns are now transferable.

• This is false."

 

So...it's only 3999?  We know some amount have been changed, but they are keeping the total number secret I guess.

[RoscoeTurner]

Further down on page 18.

"• Is the imported machinegun transferable?

• It depends:

– Was the machinegun lawfully imported on an ATF Form 6 and registered on an ATF Form 2 before May 19, 1986?

– Was a Form 5 approved transferring and registering the machinegun to the government customer upon importation?

– Upon approval of the Form 5, was the machinegun transferred to the government customer for official use?

• If the answer to all three of these questions is “Yes,” then the machinegun is transferable."

[Frank I.]

From a good source the number is approximately 1400.