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Consolidating some FCG parts and am unsure about a few of them. First is a trigger... no markings anywhere. Came in a 28A1 lower that had definitely been gone through since the war.

The fit and finish is nicer than the Stevens next to it.

Any guesses?

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43 minutes ago, StrangeRanger said:

The disconnector is marked Auto Ordnance so maybe...

I put that disconnector onto that trigger. Added a few photos with it removed.

 

Next: A rocker marked "CC", and an uncheckered paddle selector switch marked "P"

 

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According to American Thunder, 3rd edition, the rocker is made by Cinaudagraph Company (cc) out of Stamford, Conn. The "P" on the smooth safety lever stands for Pitney Bowes Postage Meter Company of Stamford, Conn.

Mark

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Based only on the pictures, I believe your unmarked trigger is a World War II part. It does not have the shape of a Colt era trigger in my opinion. That said, someone else jump in here.

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22 hours ago, Rabbit57 said:

According to American Thunder, 3rd edition, the rocker is made by Cinaudagraph Company (cc) out of Stamford, Conn. The "P" on the smooth safety lever stands for Pitney Bowes Postage Meter Company of Stamford, Conn.

Mark

Thank you very much, Mark! I might have to pick up a copy of American Thunder for myself. I had no idea that either of those companies were contracted to produce machinegun components during the war.

 

21 hours ago, TD. said:

Based only on the pictures, I believe your unmarked trigger is a World War II part. It does not have the shape of a Colt era trigger in my opinion. That said, someone else jump in here.

That was my suspicion, as well... though I admittedly have zero expertise in things Colt Thompson.

It seems like someone spent an extra couple of minutes on the unmarked trigger. The Stevens has the exact same curve profile on the back side, but the trigger face is "lumpy", as though it were forged into shape, but it missed a step afterwards.

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I have seen other US origin parts that were reworked / refurbished in shops in foreign countries.
Sometimes they get an inspection mark from the foreign arsenal that did the work and it really throws off the US collectors!
I had an US M1 carbine like that, its the one pictured in the M1 carbine category on the APEX web site.
It was exported from a former communist country by Century Arms and had been blued.
We know a lot of Thompson material came out of the Ukraine and Yugoslavia, and I am sure some of it will have been reworked at some point.

BTW, APEX has the "American Thunder" book for sale:
American Thunder: Military Thompson Submachine Guns, 3rd Edition, 2015, Hardcover

It is an excellent reference.

Richard
 

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spall,

I highly recommend American Thunder, 3rd Edition, by Frank Iannamico. It is the best 40 bucks someone new to the Thompson community will spend. Are there more expensive Thompson books with much more information. Yes, but this one answers a lot of questions and is the authority on the World War II Thompson guns. It is the perfect first Thompson book.

APEX is a great supplier of Thompson (and other) parts. I met Richard at the SAR Show in Phoenix last year. He will take care of you if you order from APEX.  

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4 hours ago, TD. said:

spall,

I highly recommend American Thunder, 3rd Edition, by Frank Iannamico. It is the best 40 bucks someone new to the Thompson community will spend. Are there more expensive Thompson books with much more information. Yes, but this one answers a lot of questions and is the authority on the World War II Thompson guns. It is the perfect first Thompson book.

APEX is a great supplier of Thompson (and other) parts. I met Richard at the SAR Show in Phoenix last year. He will take care of you if you order from APEX.  

Thank you for the kind words!
We do try our best to take good care of our customers.

I have a well used copy of "American Thunder" in my office.
I had it out today as we are handling Thompson parts in the sorting shop and looked up some info.

Richard

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On 7/7/2024 at 1:33 PM, APEXgunparts said:

I have seen other US origin parts that were reworked / refurbished in shops in foreign countries.
Sometimes they get an inspection mark from the foreign arsenal that did the work and it really throws off the US collectors!
I had an US M1 carbine like that, its the one pictured in the M1 carbine category on the APEX web site.
It was exported from a former communist country by Century Arms and had been blued.
We know a lot of Thompson material came out of the Ukraine and Yugoslavia, and I am sure some of it will have been reworked at some point.

BTW, APEX has the "American Thunder" book for sale:
American Thunder: Military Thompson Submachine Guns, 3rd Edition, 2015, Hardcover

It is an excellent reference.

Richard
 

Thank you Richard, I think I'll pick up a copy with my next order. Any risk of selling out in the next week or so?

80 years on, I'm sure there are countless possibilities for how a given part is the way it is today... I suppose that so long as it's not a post-war reproduction, I'll find it an interesting part to keep in my collection.

 

On 7/9/2024 at 9:37 AM, TD. said:

spall,

I highly recommend American Thunder, 3rd Edition, by Frank Iannamico. It is the best 40 bucks someone new to the Thompson community will spend. Are there more expensive Thompson books with much more information. Yes, but this one answers a lot of questions and is the authority on the World War II Thompson guns. It is the perfect first Thompson book.

APEX is a great supplier of Thompson (and other) parts. I met Richard at the SAR Show in Phoenix last year. He will take care of you if you order from APEX.  

I have a couple of Thompson books (including yours!), but not this one yet. I'll grab a copy soon- I'm sure it'll help to answer questions I haven't even thought of yet.

I've purchased a fair bit of stuff from APEX over the years, and I've always been happy with what I've received. Everything I've ordered came in as good of condition as advertised or better, which I can't say for all of my sources for old gun parts.

Thank you!

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APEX has 19 copies of "American Thunder" in stock, so the chance of selling out in a week or so is quite remote.

Thank you for the positive feed back on your customer experience with APEX.
All the people here work quite hard to make that happen.

Richard

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