Pre-May to transferable

[BillinBama]

I've not received any word on my FOIA requests yet.  BUT, I just looked at my inventory on  the efile stie and two of the four guns that had changed from pre samples to transferable have now switched back to pre-sample.  The other two still populate a trial Form 4 as OK to transfer, but at the rate I'm losing my "new" transferables they may not last long.  Does anyone at ATF really know what they are doing? 

[Got Uzi]

Sure sounds like the NFA-TCA was blowing their horn a little too loud and now are dead silent on the subject. Over 6 months of speculation and STILL no official word as to wtf is going on from ATF as far as an official directive. I have a feeling someone tried to pull a fast one and got their wrist slapped. 

 

Just logged into my eforms account and it shows me pre sample Savage M1928 as "white" when it was "orange" before.  I have yet to receive the FOIA back yet, but I am wondering if this one did indeed flip....I need to file the other two pre sample Thompson's I have.

Edited August 13, 2024 by Got Uzi

[BillinBama]

I've totally given up on relying on the colors of my inventory guns, I wsa, however, pretty confident that when I added a formerly pre-sample on a form 4 and it successfully loaded, that this was one of the "transformed" guns, but now.....Yeah, no one knows what is going on, ATF isn't talking, and some people are going to get burned buying what are sold as transferables only to have ATF later declare them pre guns.  

  

[Got Uzi]

It’s almost like what I said was going to happen in the beginning of all this…well…is happening. 
 

Still no word on the MP5 trio from Morphy’s and if they made it to their “forever homes” yet. 

[Frank I.]

I spoke with John Keene of Morphy's at the recent Thompson SMG gathering, he said all three M5s transferred successfully. 

[Got Uzi]

Did they transfer to the dealers or to the end buyers?

[Frank I.]

As I understood it to the end buyers.

He said that ATF confirmed they were transferable before being listed on the auction. He did not say how they did that. 

 

[zavrit]

Update on my FOIA request submitted on July 20.  I received the redacted Form 2 and Form 3 copies yesterday.   There was no law enforcement use.  

Even though it allows me to transfer using a Form 4 in Eforms, it is only a sales sample.  I was expecting this to be the case as I don’t see an MG34 being high on the list for law enforcement use. ?

[Got Uzi]

Mine was submitted July 12....so much for "first in, first out" LOL

[Dan K]

I am waiting on four FOIA for Pre samples, see if any flip, be like eating crow w/ketchup when it comes in.

[BillinBama]

I have now received two of my FOIA requests, the first one was so heavily redacted that I could barely discern what firearm it was, nothing else.  The second (an MP5) gave me the history of iits many transfers since importation in 1977, but again, it was so redacted that this was all I could determine besides that it was(and still is) a sales sample. No delineation between  pre and post, but I bought it as a pre-sample last year and lo and behold, my info was not redacted.  I guess they used a tiny bit of logic and decided I could be given my own info.  So I'm not much better off on the first two, waiting on the rest.

[BillinBama]

I just received the FOIA on my HK33 which has changed in my inventory from pre-sample to transferrable.  It shows it was imported in 1981 by LE, so that jives with the info we've been seeing that the guns have to be directly imported by a law enforcement agency to be considered for changing from pre-sample to trans.  Still, everything was so redacted I can only get dated of the various transfers and the info on the gun itself.  Curiously, this one doesn't show my transfer in 2005.

[Frank I.]

4 hours ago, BillinBama said:

I just received the FOIA on my HK33 which has changed in my inventory from pre-sample to transferrable.  It shows it was imported in 1981 by LE, so that jives with the info we've been seeing that the guns have to be directly imported by a law enforcement agency to be considered for changing from pre-sample to trans.  Still, everything was so redacted I can only get dated of the various transfers and the info on the gun itself.  Curiously, this one doesn't show my transfer in 2005.

The blocks don't provide a lot of info. Look for a stamp like the one pictured  

 the key is U.S. Code 5844(1). Of my 3 of 9 that were confirmed as transferable all 3 had a rubber stamp on the forms that included 5844(1) Code.  (The FOIA forms) 

The 5844(3) Code  is for dealer samples. 

[BillinBama]

Good to know, thanks.

[Dan K]

On 9/9/2024 at 3:58 PM, Frank Iannamico said:

The blocks don't provide a lot of info. Look for a stamp like the one pictured  

 the key is U.S. Code 5844(1). Of my 3 of 9 that were confirmed as transferable all 3 had a rubber stamp on the forms that included 5844(1) Code.  (The FOIA forms) 

The 5844(3) Code  is for dealer samples. 

I just got a FOIA back with a Form 5 containing this stamp. The FOIA shows it was imported and in possession of a government agency for 11 years. This was the state of AK as I have other documentation that shows their ownership even though the Form 5 is redacted. Appears to be transferable...

[Got Uzi]

I received one of my FOIA requests back this week and it shows my Savage 1928 going on a Form 5 to a Govt or Law Enforcement agency. It was there from 1975 to 1994

[RoscoeTurner]

Begins on page 16 - 

FAIR 2024 - NFA 922(o) Presentation (NFAD)

[Rekraps]

1 hour ago, RoscoeTurner said:

Begins on page 16 - 

FAIR 2024 - NFA 922(o) Presentation (NFAD)

Very good poop my friend. This type of thinking opens the door, at least in my mind, for some type of second Amnesty period, using similar type logic. Different date parameters (say 1975 or earlier (end of Vietnam)) but would serve to get most of the remaining attic gun which did not register under the 1986 Amnesty due to concerns about confiscation.

[Colt Chopper]

Very good Roscoe,  Thanks Much !!!!!

[RoscoeTurner]

3 hours ago, Colt Chopper said:

Very good Roscoe,  Thanks Much !!!!!

Thanks.  Credit goes to a good friend that works at ATF who said he found that "hiding in plain sight" on their website.

[BillinBama]

3 hours ago, RoscoeTurner said:

Thanks.  Credit goes to a good friend that works at ATF who said he found that "hiding in plain sight" on their website.

Good find, who knew the gov't could be so open?

[BillinBama]

Well darn! I sent a request for clarification of all my pre-samples to ATF and received the answers today.  My H k33 is now transferable,  like I suspected, but my MP40 is not. It has been showing as transferable whenever I start a Form 4 and select it for transfer. Why this happens when it isn't transferable is a mystery. All my other pre-86 are still in that category,  no surprises there, and they all were prevented from being added to a Form 4. So my hopes for my MP40 are dashed. I did wonder why a LE agency would import one but you never know...

[Ryo]

Be thankful that a transferable didnt turn into a postie.. that sucked.

I did have a MP5 and American 180 turned into transferable to make up for it. Sadly the MG34 didn't change status.