StrangeRanger Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 MP34 dewat at $14K MAB 38/42 at $12K (????) C&R MP40 at $20K C&R MP18 at $12K C&R MP38 at $70K (!!!!) Wilson MP38 at $25K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillinBama Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 That MP40 price is surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APEXgunparts Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 Anyone notice what the MG13 went for? I have been away on travel and forgot about this auction. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted August 24 Author Report Share Posted August 24 1 hour ago, BillinBama said: That MP40 price is surprising. That's the hammer price. It'll be $24-25K by the time the owner takes possession, still low end of market for a C&R I'm shocked by the Beretta price. From the pictures it was a VERY nice gun. It should have hammered somewhere around $18K not $12K. IMNSHO someone got one hell of a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 I'm quite shocked by them all. Looks like a weak auction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted August 24 Author Report Share Posted August 24 (edited) remember to add 17.5% or more "premium" to the hammer prices with tax on top of that and most of them are more or less in line Edited August 24 by StrangeRanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted August 24 Author Report Share Posted August 24 The EMP hammered at $18K The MP41 at $55K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 what did the ZB37 go for? and the Stoner 63a? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 Mongo, 42.5K, and 190K plus prem. The Erma EMP hammered at 15K, not 18. Like every auction some stuff went "reasonable" and others off the charts. The AR-18's must have a bigger following than I ever thought? I may be hand carving a wood stock for my MP40....seems to add 30K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted August 25 Author Report Share Posted August 25 6 minutes ago, johnsonlmg41 said: The Erma EMP hammered at 15K, not 18. Fat fingered the numeric keypad I'm still in shock over yesterday's MAB 38/42 at $12K I remember passing up a Wilson MP41 tube gun about 2 years ago at $22K. I know C&R guns are worth more but 150% more????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS Collector Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 I snagged the ZB37 (actually a MG37(t) made under German occupation - and so marked); I am extremely pleased to have landed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevTec Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 Did someone say there was a mortar? Anyone know what it went for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 10 hours ago, MS Collector said: I snagged the ZB37 (actually a MG37(t) made under German occupation - and so marked); I am extremely pleased to have landed it. That's a nice piece. Bidding got pretty competitive on that one! There were some mortars. A Jap knee that IIRC went around 1900? And a Russian at 3250. lot 1361 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt Chopper Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 (edited) Is this the Stoner? https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4090/456/kac-stoner-63a-class-iiinfa-fully-transferable-machine-gun Edited August 25 by Colt Chopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 12 hours ago, MS Collector said: I snagged the ZB37 (actually a MG37(t) made under German occupation - and so marked); I am extremely pleased to have landed it. Congrats I have wanted one for a while but can no long afford to increase my collection. There was no accessories for it? On 1919A4.com there is a bunch of ZB27 accessories for sale. 59 minutes ago, Colt Chopper said: Is this the Stoner? https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4090/456/kac-stoner-63a-class-iiinfa-fully-transferable-machine-gun Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS Collector Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 On the RIA auction MG37(t), the gun comes with a fairly decent pile of parts; mostly internals . . . no barrels but spare bolts, op rods, feed blocks, grip assemblies, and 3 extra top covers. Interestingly, of the spare top covers 2 are actual wartime German (and so marked) . . . and one of them is the original matching numbered top cover to the gun. All I can guess is that perhaps there was some issue with the original cover's function so the prior owner used the non-German top cover (that is currently on the gun) for shooting purposes. Anyway, I'll get it all sorted out at some point and make darn sure that the matching numbered original German top cover stays on the gun. No tripod was included in the auction lot, but I've been assured by various RKI's that it will not be too difficult to find a decent German Lafette 37 marked tripod to go with it; apparently there are German occupation period (Lafette 37 marked) tripods mixed in with the parts kits imports of cut guns and tripods that came into the US. That said, if anyone knows of a German occupation Lafette 37 for sale I would sure appreciate hearing about it. I'll also be looking to track down some belts and some Czech pre-war ammo cans (the ones that look like a German 250 round can). Prior to the auction I consulted with two collectors who each have 40+ years of C&R NFA experience. Between these guys and some internet research, we concluded the RIA gun to be only the 4th known transferable ZB37 in the US. Apparently Dick Wray had one that was offered for sale about 15+ years ago; details and current location of that gun are unknown. Then, Bob Naess reports having a ZB37 in 7mm Mauser (pre-war Venezuelan contract) in his collection that is fully transferable. Also, one of the guys with whom I spoke (a Las Vegas-based collector) has a pre-war Czechoslovakian army contract ZB37 (C&R) in his collection. Again, details of the Dick Wray gun are unknown to me, but of the four (4) transferable ZB37's of which I am currently aware, the RIA auction gun is the only German occupation production gun here in the US. Who knows . . . perhaps there are additional C&R and/or transferable guns out there in collectors' hands (and, if so, I'd sure like to correspond with the owners to compare notes). Back to the original topic of auction prices: In consultation with these older collectors who so generously shared their wealth of knowledge, the consensus was that the RIA auction gun should bring a price at least equivalent to what a comparable condition C&R MG42 (gun only - no tripod) would command, so I bid accordingly. Of course, if you like history (as is my primary motivation for collecting), just do some internet searches and you will see that after the German "annex" of Czechoslovakia, the ZB37's (both ex-Czech army + the wartime production guns) appear to have gone almost exclusively to the Waffen SS . . . so (for me at least) there is a bit of a wartime combat history "wow" factor documented in the period photos and information regarding the ZB37's in pre-May, 1945 German military service. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfaxdude Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 22 hours ago, StrangeRanger said: Fat fingered the numeric keypad I'm still in shock over yesterday's MAB 38/42 at $12K I remember passing up a Wilson MP41 tube gun about 2 years ago at $22K. I know C&R guns are worth more but 150% more????? I snagged a Wilson tube MP-41 a couple years ago at the SAR show in Phoenix for $13K. Great gun with a "tube" that looks almost factory correct -- I still thinks it's a tube gun. Original C&R MP-41s aren't all that common so maybe $55K is FMV?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labanaktis Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 (edited) Anyone catch what the Buffalo Arms M2 went for? Lot 350 Thanks, Matt Edited August 25 by Labanaktis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricky9914 Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 What did the Mg13 go for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APEXgunparts Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 On 8/23/2024 at 6:07 PM, APEXgunparts said: Anyone notice what the MG13 went for? I have been away on travel and forgot about this auction. Richard WOW, I saw the published final price on the MG-13. I guess I saved myself some time by forgetting about the auction! No way I was paying $55K for a VSM Cincinnati marked MG-13. I hope the new owner swings by the APEX web site for a bunch of cool spares and MG-13 accessories! Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmarvin Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 On 8/25/2024 at 7:44 PM, Labanaktis said: Anyone catch what the Buffalo Arms M2 went for? Lot 350 Thanks, Matt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfaxdude Posted August 28 Report Share Posted August 28 On 8/27/2024 at 10:25 AM, APEXgunparts said: WOW, I saw the published final price on the MG-13. I guess I saved myself some time by forgetting about the auction! No way I was paying $55K for a VSM Cincinnati marked MG-13. I hope the new owner swings by the APEX web site for a bunch of cool spares and MG-13 accessories! Richard Richard, I was surprised at the selling price as well. I bought a MG13 from Nick Tilotta for $35,000 several years ago. The gun is in much better condition and included a very rare original S drum. However, they don't come up for sale very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APEXgunparts Posted August 28 Report Share Posted August 28 12 minutes ago, maxfaxdude said: Richard, I was surprised at the selling price as well. I bought a MG13 from Nick Tilotta for $35,000 several years ago. The gun is in much better condition and included a very rare original S drum. However, they don't come up for sale very often. Your number is where I thought the gun might go to. You are correct about that S-double drum, APEX has a LOT of the box magazines and their cases, not even one of the drums. MG-13's don't come up for sale often because they were not a main stream MG of interest back when these could be sourced. I just have an eye for odd MG's! Which is why I am looking around for a MADSEN LMG. The ZB-37 was a much better buy for less money, in my opinion. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted August 29 Report Share Posted August 29 One of these days I'll find the one that was locally for sale with 2-3 drums. So far all I have is the carrier? ....Seed part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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