C&R Sten question

[Frank I.]

CORRECTION This is a Pre-may DS, not a C&R

Sten, has no side "tabs" present to weld the trigger frame to the sides of the receiver. The (inside) front of the trigger frame is (crudely) welded to the tube. 

I have seen and photographed a fair number of Stens, but all had the trigger frame attached to the sides receiver with welded tabs.

The s/n begins with the letter F Fazakerly mfg./assembly  

Any input is appreciated!   

Frank

[BillyDixon]

this looks refinished, was this gun ever a dewat ? just askin

[Frank I.]

Wrong gun, this one is a Pre-MAY DS,  I'm sure it has been refinished

[johnsonlmg41]

MKI retrofitted/upgraded to MKII would be my guess.   Markings on magazine wells are fairly useless on Stens.....unless

[hkg3k]

10 hours ago, johnsonlmg41 said:

MKI retrofitted/upgraded to MKII would be my guess.   Markings on magazine wells are fairly useless on Stens.....unless

That should be fairly easy to confirm as the safety slot on the Mk1 & Mk1* is cut below rather than above cocking slot.  Got a pic of the other side, Frank?

[Frank I.]

12 hours ago, hkg3k said:

That should be fairly easy to confirm as the safety slot on the Mk1 & Mk1* is cut below rather than above cocking slot.  Got a pic of the other side, Frank?

The safety slot is on the top, its not an MKI.

The serial number on the form 3 is the same one on the magazine housing, there are no markings on the receiver tube.

[StrangeRanger]

Look at the underside of the receiver tube with the FCG cover removed.  I know Wilson and maybe others used to hide his info there

Edited October 7, 2024 by StrangeRanger

[skoda]

Might be a Canadian made trigger frame. See page 137 of Laidler's book. The welding tabs are minimal and there is a nice thin weld that almost looks like a robot did it. Clearly the Long Branch factory had some good jigs and welders.

 

[Frank I.]

On 10/7/2024 at 3:45 PM, StrangeRanger said:

Look at the underside of the receiver tube with the FCG cover removed.  I know Wilson and maybe others used to hide his info there

Yes, Years ago hiding the markings on tube guns was legal and no depth requirements I have seen them etched with an electric pencil. 

But the Sten pictured is a  Pre-May dealer sample, its not a tube gun. Form reads:  "Imported as a sales sample"

[Frank I.]

I took these pictures at the British Small Arms School in 2012, Peter Laidler got us into the small arms room.

Note the picture of the MKII Sten in the case it does not appear to have "tabs" attached to the side of the receiver like mine in posts above (it is a real gun)

Also at the school they had Sten s/n 1 

[skoda]

Oooohhhhh, just rub Number 1 Mark I in our faces. So cool that that is still around.

[Frank I.]

12 hours ago, skoda said:

Oooohhhhh, just rub Number 1 Mark I in our faces. So cool that that is still around.

Yes, and I got to fondle it   : - )  (The Sten #1)

Picture of Peter Laidler